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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:18 pm 
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Hi folks.
Has anyone successfully used the 34482A model of switch?
I was sold one recently, and a mate (very handy on all things electrical - and who has read this entire thread), can't seem to get it to wire up right.
Is it possible this model of switch isn't quite the right one to use for two speed mini applications?
(I note that a previous reply said that Paul Gulson was selling this type, but nobody has actually stated that this switch does work.

Thanks in advance.
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Matt,

Half way down page 3 of this thread you will find the continuity diagram for the correct two-speed wiper switch (i.e. which connectors have continuity with the switch in each of its three positions). I suggest you create the same diagram for the switch you have using a multimeter or battery/globe test set. You should then be able to work out if there is way to create the necessary set of connections (and disconnections) with that switch.

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Ok. This is a great thread! :) But this thread is somewhat less than complete without pictures... :roll:

I've got a single speed, round motor wiper motor. A 12AUW, in a 69/70 Wasamatic. I've bought a new park ring from Mr Smidt, it came nearly a month ago (busy, and we've had lots of rain!). I also bought solder (hoping not to need to use it). I've got the wiper motor disconnected from the body (but not the wipers, which are still connected to the body) and the face plate open, but I can't see how I get the large gear and cam disconnected... :oops: Any tips?


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Hi mate, there's a C clip on the back and there should be a very thin thrust washer behind that.

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Tadhg wrote:
Ok. This is a great thread! :) But this thread is somewhat less than complete without pictures... :roll:

In defence of all those who contributed to this thread it was meant to be on the topic of wiring up a two-speed wiper motor, as per the heading. I think what you are trying to do (repair a wiper motor) would make a good topic and sticky once someone puts together the steps with matching pictures. Hopefully there's someone out there who has already done it, or will do it.

In case it helps there's an exploded diagram and dismantling procedure of the similar Lucas 14W wiper in the black Mini Workshop Manual (TP832C).

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Winabbey, no offense was intended. :) I do realize that the original intent of this thread was to determine the correct wiring for the two speed version of the round motor. However, the thread grew... The original problem was solved, it was expanded into a warning not to use a light switch (as it's different to a two speed wiper switch), and it varied further to then include debate as to whether the motors should park, and then how to fix them.

This is clearly the most complete thread on these wiper motors on Ausmini, and therefore, most likely, the world! I've read through it enough times to know that. There is a ton of excellent information from extremely experienced contributors (including your good self). The only thing missing is a description of how to get to the park ring in order to replace it. :( I did see the link to the other thread where the UK motor is shown in exploded detail. But it's still not the same... :? If we could add a clear description of how to get at the park ring (i.e. disconnect motor from body (three screws to firewall), remove cover plate (4 screws), then a description of removing the C Clip, etc), or, even better, the odd picture, and there'd never be a reason for anyone to ever ask about these motors again. :) My point was that 95% of the info's here, it's a great thread, it needs completion. :)

Mr Mowog, thanks for your info. Unfortunately, I saw it only after I screwed the motor back to the body (it was getting dark and cold), so I'll have a go another day. :)


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I can also supply these discs and mine are Stainless Steel. They will never rust again.

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Tadhg wrote:
My point was that 95% of the info's here, it's a great thread, it needs completion. :)

I agree, and better to redo it once someone has some pictures and procedure to dismantle the motor to replace the plate and get the self-park working. It could be done in 1 page, not the current 7 pages.

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Well, I pulled my wiper motor apart today. Took iPhone photos (old iPhone 3G - not high quality, but good enough if anyone wants them), but I'm not keen on setting up an image hosting account. :oops: The long and the short of it is that my wiper motor looks great inside, but still doesn't self park. :?

I pulled the motor off. Undid the three screws through the firewall first, then undid the nut on the cable. I found the circlip on the back and managed to remove it. Used a 1/4 socket as a drift to knock the shaft back through, then undid the 4 bolts on the case cover. Found it handy to do it in that order - it was much easier to get at the bottom 1/4" bolts on the cover. :wink:

With the cover off and the wheel knocked free, I discovered some quite extraordinary things. First off, my park ring was almost spotless, and practically brand new. :o Secondly, one of the three prongs (brushes?) was bent badly away from the ring. :? In order, from the prong/brush closest to the centre of the ring out (so, from the park prong/brush out) , the park ring was definitely contacting. The next brush/prong was bent away, and was also a bit black/greasy (I sanded it a touch to restore that coppery shine). The third one wasn't near contacting the park ring. I bent all three out, hoping they'd touch the ring (I'm pretty confident they're touching - I'm sure that at least the inner two would've been pushed down by the park ring when it was reinstalled). :)

There was another surprise. There was old grease in the bottom of the motor, but no tide mark, and no rust. :o Regardless, I still drilled a small hole in the bottom to ensure that I don't have water pooling in there.

So, feeling encouraged, I reinstalled everything. I put the wheel in the body (a little grease to help it in), I put the cover on (heaps of grease at the top end), I put the thrust washer and circlip on the back of the motor (to hold the wheel in), I screwed it to the fire wall, and I did up the cable nut. I put the bonnet down, jumped in the car, and promptly found that nothing had changed. :shock: :shock: :x :( I'd wasted two hours. :cry:

So... Going through the checklist Mr Smidt's given on page 4, I've got everything right. Ring's good, connector's working, wiper motor is earthed (well, I believe it's earthed! It runs!), and I'm using a single speed motor (it's not a light switch). The only thing I can think of now is that it's wired incorrectly. Which, given my experience when adding relays to my headlights, should probably have been my first suspicion. :roll:

When I bought the car, it only had two wires on the wiper motor. I added a third wire, hoping it would self park, but that didn't work. Using the Doc's sketch and orientation, and but knowing it's only a single speed motor (so there are only 3 connectors on the motor), I've got permanent power at the top left connector, the switch is wired to the top right connector, the bottom left connector is a little pig's tail earthing to the wiper body, and there is no bottom right connector. I've looked at the schematic, but it doesn't seem to give any clues as to which wire should connect to which pin...
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You may have a Headlight Switch instead of a 2 Speed Wiper Switch.

If you do have a 2 Speed Wiper Switch, it does also need and earth on Terminal 4 (as above) otherwise all else will work, but no self parking.

Check it all with a meter to be sure.

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The black book workshop manual TP832 has the wiring diagram for a single speed wiper. I can't scan and post at the moment but I think it appears in another thread from some time ago, maybe not wiper related.

I'll try to convert the diagram to text for you:

The wiper switch has the following connections (the numbers are the one's embossed on the switch next to each connector).

1 and 7 have a connection between them
8 - green with yellow trace wire to wiper motor
7 - black with green trace wire to wiper motor via connector 1
6 - black wire to dash earth

The wiper motor has the following connections:

Two wires from the switch as above
green wire to instrument regulator
Black wire from wiper motor body to adjacent car body earth.

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GT mowog wrote:
You may have a Headlight Switch instead of a 2 Speed Wiper Switch.

He's trying to fix a single speed setup.

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Definitely don't have a head light switch - it's only a two position switch, and only three connectors on the wiper motor. So it's all - externally, anyway - a single speed Lucas 12AUW motor. :)

My problem is that I can't find anything showing which pin connects to what. I'm starting to think that, instead of connecting to earth, that third pin, maybe that pin should connect to the switch... Or maybe they're all wrong! :lol: I do know that the power is coming from the switch to the wiper, rather than to the wiper then earthing through the switch, as most of the wiring diagrams I've looked at seem to indicate as the preferred method... :? Wouldn't surprise me if it's wired completely wrong... :roll:

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I'll try to convert the diagram to text for you:

The wiper motor has the following connections:

Two wires from the switch as above
green wire to instrument regulator
Black wire from wiper motor body to adjacent car body earth.

Thanks winabbey. :) The diagram for the switch matches what I'm looking at (SP/Gregory's 61-71 manual, 1100 Mini Matic diagram - page 207) - even if it's nothing like what's in the car. :lol: :roll: I'm definitely looking at something that was wired up without a diagram/manual. :roll: I remember seeing all the numbers embossed on the back of ths switch when I completely rewired the light switch, so I'm pretty confident with that. :) Now that I know I'm definitely looking at the right diagram. :wink:

The thing I'm probably most uncertain about is those wires on the body. Which wire - BG and GY from the switch, G (power supply - originally from the instrument voltage regulator, but it's only 12V unregulated, so I won't go chasing it too hard!) - goes to which terminal on the motor..? If we use the A/C/D labels from the photo in your first post (given there's no terminal B on a single speed 12AUW motor), which wire goes where..? :?

Perhaps somewhat ironically, this brings the thread back full circle - wiring a 12AUW - albeit it getting the wires right at the other end (motor, not switch).

At least I know one thing now - I've gone through and attempted to refurbish an already refurbished motor for no good reason. :lol: :roll:


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Ah, my bad on it only being single speed. Tadhg, it sounds like you have an early wiper switch. If memory serves, in the early cars, the wipers were only single speed and non-self park. The switch was only an ON / OFF type and wouldn't have the terminals for self parking.

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What is the Lucas part number on the switch? According to the Mini K parts book it should be 31780 type 57SA. These are still available new.

http://classicmotoring.net.au/cmos/inde ... cts_id=590

http://www.abouttimespares.com.au/showpart.asp?id=28861

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