Mine was advertised with "Mk.2 Cooper S" as the attention-grabbing banner, but the ad text did plainly state that it is actually a Mini K tricked up with Coopery bits - 1275 (with Weber, rather than SUs), discs, twin tanks, and of course badges. I knew from the outset that I wasn't buying a real S, and clearly it didn't bother me, 'cos I bought it anyway.

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You're only supposed to blow the BLUDDY DOORS OFF!!

We bought Barney (now owned by Cooper Matrikon) a few years back. PO never pretended it to be what it wasn't. It looks sounds and goes like an S but being a replica it cost less than 1/2 a real one, and again not being a real one you didn't mind driving it about.
The only worry was leaving it parked- in case some villain mistook it for a real one and nicked it.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

I have a '63 Morris 850.
It has the original drum brakes and 850 motor.
It has the "Morris 850" badge on the boot.
Would I be looked down upon if I sold it to any one of the 100's of non mini people that have called it a Mini Cooper?

As to forking out the $$$$ for anything.
People need to do their research so not to get stung.
There's always someone out there waiting to pull the wool over your eyes.

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'72 English Van...'72 Export Moke ...63' 850...KZ 750E1...'74 P76

I've got a "cooperized" 76 clubby, that's what I will always call it even though I could pull the wool over the eyes of 90% of the people who asked me bit it is not a real S so I will never try to claim it.
I think the majority of people agree on this topic that a repaired item is ok but swapping the numbers is wrong.

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Respect mine and I'll respect yours.

Mines only an "Austin Cooper" until I get the right hand tank, then i will fit the "S" badges

My Deluxe wears Cooper SS badges and is every bit as genuine as any other Cooper SS. It's a bit of a play on all those people who remember the Mini they used to own (or their neighbour etc. etc) but get every detail about it wrong. I have even heard people talk about their old Cooper SSS (which must have had a Datsun motor). Minis in those days were a lot faster too.

When I bought the car the only actual Deluxe bits left was the shell - even the speedo had been swapped for a clubby cluster. When I went to put the deluxe badges on the boot I found the holes didn't line up at all so I would have to drill new ones and at that point the SS idea came to me.

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66 Deluxe, 07 Cooper

I think we all have our own opinions but it really comes down to what the law deems to be so.

I will see if I can get a copy of the judgement....if it has been published. It should assist in reducing the confusion.

sooo,,, what`s the go with a friend of mine wanting to sell his 2x Genuine Clubman GT body plates?

what happens there,,, if they`re just being sold on to some one else who wants them, then surely that`s allowed,,, right?

& then surely if the new owner just wants to buy them to keep in his display cabinet, then that`s all good too right?

the way i understand the law is that it`s illegal to fit them to another body-shell that they didn`t belong to right?,,, but not illegal to just simply sell the plates,,, right?

i have the 2x GT plates here so if anyone wants them then just let me know,,, but i`m keen to hear what everyones thoughts are about the "selling" of the body plates,,, what is wrong (if anything) with selling them? & would you all be upset if i sold them?

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

They are a compliance plate NOT a VIN plate, so yes it is legal to sell them.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

The law varies from state to state.

The law for NSW is here:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/viewt ... itleonly=y


http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragv ... ransfer%22)))%20AND%20((Type%3D%22act%22%20AND%20Repealed%3D%22N%22)%20OR%20(Type%3D%22subordleg%22%20AND%20Repealed%3D%22N%22))&dq=Document%20Types%3D%22Acts,%20Regs%22,%20All%20Words%3D%22vehicle%20identification%20transfer%22,%20Search%20In%3D%22Text%22&fullquery=(((%22vehicle%22%20AND%20%22identification%22%20AND%20%22transfer%22)))&tocnav=y

I'm not going to agree or disagree with anyone regarding this topic, but thought I'd throw another interesting sample into the mix.

Again, this is a known example, but one that could cause a fair bit of debate on its own.

A Cooper S is bought from a dealership in the 1960s. It is a genuine car, nothing suspect about it, everything is as should be and as supplied from the factory.

The car is involved in a smash. The insurance company considers the car not viable to repair. However, a brand new replacement body is available from the factory. It is a genuine factory-built YDO6 body with all the correct brackets, etc for Cooper S.

The car is re-bodied with this replacement shell, by a professional repairer. Everything is transferred from the old body to the new and the car is essentially the same as new.

However, the new body has a number that starts with PA - being for Parts & Accessories division of BMC - and does not match the number on the ID plate. The body does have a body number with prefix M2 / 06.

The insurance company continues to insure the car as a Cooper S, charging premium accordingly.

Registration authorities continue to register it as a Cooper S.

Many years later, owner tries to sell his car as a genuine Cooper S.

Is it?

Just food for thought.

Cheers,
Watto.

In your above example Watto, I'd say no, it's a rebodied Cooper S. Genuine as it may be, it isn't the "original" factory car that rolled off the BMC production line. Yes it was put together by a repairer using genuine parts, but in my mind it is not the "original" Cooper S but it is still a "genuine" Cooper S.

Flip on it's head: Now I am sure the car is a pearl. I'd make sure this fact was plainly stated when selling the car. Just be honest and tell that same story with paperwork to match and I am sure the car will still fetch a kingly sum. << KEY POINT OF MY POST: BE HONEST WHEN SELLING

Flip again: If I were buying a Cooper S and saw this car along side another car that has not had a reshelling, I'd have to give the other car the upper hand as this is what rolled out of the BMC factory. The reshelled car, after all has had a BIG smash. That's what it would come down to.

*ducks back into his cave*

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Lillee - 1969 Morris Mini K

But my question was not; "Is it the original Cooper S?".

My question was, and is; "Is it a genuine Cooper S?".

There will no doubt be various opinions, but it is an interesting question.

I'm not going to say yes or no on this one, just look to see what the feedback is.

Cheers,
Watto.

Yes but with caveats. It's a genuine rebodied cooper S.

Selling it as a genuine cooper s without divulging this info is misleading as it the body has clearly got a different number and it's not a small part like a fuel tank replacement or something. IMO

*back to cave*

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Lillee - 1969 Morris Mini K

I would class it as a genuine Cooper S. It may have been re-bodied but it was done properly and for good reason.
The can of worms gets opened when someone finds the bent body at the back of the panel beaters and says "I can fix that!"

So which party owns the the real Cooper S?