Here, here. I now own said 'genuine replica' and god forbid if I was ever to sell it, it would be sold as exactly that.

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Problem was, in this case, the car was rebodied using a genuine GTs numbers, ie id plates and other bits.... So with the vitrifaction letter would be useless, as the numbers matched genuine... kinda like buying a rolled cooper S, getting the id plate, and cutting out the firewall number and and radiator cowl, and transferring it to another body shell..

Looking at the numbers, ( especially if your new to minis) every thing will look right.... But it would be little things that would be incorrect to give the game away

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See that's the issue I have with this whole topic: I have seen genuine S's with wrong engine, wrong wheels, wrong brakes, wrong flares, wrong interior.....are they still an S? Of course they are.

I have seen a replica that concourse judges couldn't spot. Is it an S? By definition, no.

SO the end result is: only a muppet pays more for a car based on it's heritage. If the history is THAT important, go deal in paintings.

Boy, you have opened a can of worms there, probably more fake paintings out there than fake cooper's, and selling for hundreds of thousands, not 10,20 or $30,000

Ha! Yeah, maybe.

I realise somebody might get miffed by what I said, but the only thing I understand less than people trying to charge the cooper s tax on stuff they sell are those that pay it....

If you have a look at the bottom of a Ford GT Letter of Authenticity, it quite clearly states something along the lines of Ford are only making representations on what left the factory based on the information provided and does not imply the car is today as it was when it was built.

Well I have a genuine Mk2 1970 S that looks like a fake.

Why, because back in the '70s when they were two a penny almost everyone tried to upgrade, improve, modify them in order to stand out from the crowd. It was almost like a competiton to creat the top Mini in town. And there were hordes of them around.

Hence clubman tail lights - all the latest rage in 1971 - clubman dash - how cool was that when no other S in town had one - Webasto sunroof, H4s, Grp 2 flares, and so on. Sins of the past no doubt. But it's a real S body still, and real S power plant and gearbox, albeit uprate with a genuine set of Abington's finest sccr (my dad brought back 4 sets on a business trip to the UK in 1973) S boot and other model specific markings and most improtantly, that original ID plate.

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1965 Mini Van (1360)
1970 Mk2 Cooper S (1310)
1978 Rover SD1 V8 (4.6)
1996 Land Rover Discovery V8 (4.0)

Ah memories, webastos and clubman lights there used to be a lot of them around.

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This case law is rediculous. A big problem arrises if the car has had a race history. rebodying a car was common place. A lot easier to restamp numbers than to re-apply for a log book. Interstingly one of my race cars came with a few spare S engines. Two of those have the same number which match the log book. Fact is with these types of cars anything is possible in their history. The current owner shouldnt be held accountable unless they are shown to knowingly mislead the buyer.
I know of a Mk 2 rebody that was done in Sydney a number of years ago by a friend of mine. Nobody and I mean nobody could pick that it was rebodied. The owner has since sold it on and it is out there somewhere. Perhaps your genuine S with its matching ID plate is this car. Should you now be held accountable for onselling this fake??

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1970 Cooper S ex-Bathurst & ATCC
1964 Austin Cooper S ex-Group C race car
1967 Morris Cooper S ex-Group B
1962 Mini Speed sports sedan
1968-71 ex-Peter Manton Shell car

Greetings All.
Last night I saw a Cooper 997 on e bay (still there).
The way I read it, the ID badge seems to be the only original bit. I would have added a link but don't know how to.
Makes a good read, have a look.
I'd think a 997 Cooper should at least have a 997 engine to be called a Cooper?

This might work:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Morris-Mini- ... 20c66ef28a

This one?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Morris-Mini- ... 20c66ef28a

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VMCI #43

Winabbey


Yes I just worked it out and put it in.
Sounds like a big project. No trim, doors, boot boards, badges etc etc etc

Alex

smac wins at internet. Honourable mention to whomever said "Just sell it as a CAR". This argument is overdone and boring. Anyone who spends $750K on a car is a moron, whether it's a brand new Ferrari or a GTHO Falcon.

Y'all should be driving bog standard, original Clubmans. Anything else is a vanity.

Low & Blown

No they shouldn't but if your friend whom rebodied this car without the purchaser knowing well then ...........

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The bitterness of poor quality (or Crappy Workmanship) remains LONG AFTER the Sweet Taste of Low Price is forgotten.

So no sports steering wheel even? Rats!

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1967 Cooper S - new front bearings to do.
1965 Cooper S shell - Slow progress. No time or money!
1966 Deluxe- next rustoration!
Mk 2 & XJ6 Jags. Less said the better.