hi everyone,

im currently looking at a mini but some things aren't adding up.. the owner has told me that this number is the vin number for the car: 16705.. however when i put this into revs history it comes up as a boat trailer..

He then give me this number yma2s2 which im assuming is the body prefix for a 65 deluxe? when i use this in revs it tells me that it is a blue leyland mini 1971 that is registered in qld..

could someone please help me with this?

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oil leak?..what oil leak..that puddle under the car is just sweat from all that horsepower

As far as what I knew - vins weren't used until quite late (Rover era) in Australia. The number on the body is the on the compliance plate which is the chassis number. It will have lots of numbers like - 022X2S4MO9 which identifies stuff about the car then another number, about 5 digits long which is the number of this car in the run.

Someone might be able to correct me on this - but body prefix is that YMA2S2 one, and engine prefixes are a bit all over the joint in terms of format. I'm not sure how to check a VIN on revs for a mini which doesn't have the modern vin like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number. Curious to know what that VIN number he's giving you is if it doesn't have a VIN?

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1978 Leyland Clubman

yeah i know about all that, just doesnt make sense to me how with that prefix number it says on carhistory.com.au (revs) that it is a leyland 1971 blue mini..

is it possible that the car has been stolen and rebirthed? or just a mistake on the site?

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oil leak?..what oil leak..that puddle under the car is just sweat from all that horsepower

REVS checks are all maintained by a federal government department so unless the website is doing something really wrong, then any of the other revs checks you can do (cause there's heaps of websites for it) would be wrong too.

Possible someone manufactured a new comp plate for that other mini? I take it the car you are looking at is the deluxe?

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1978 Leyland Clubman

Have you seen the body number yourself?

You obviously need to put the whole sequence in (Type AND car number) from the plate.

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i went out and saw the car myself yes, the plate says its a blue car which it is a different blue but the engine bay looks like an original green colour...

the car was only just painted before being sold to its current owner who has now owned it for a few years..

on the rego papers under vin the only number is 16705.

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oil leak?..what oil leak..that puddle under the car is just sweat from all that horsepower

A body number is very different from a VIN.
VIN were introduced in January 1971 (or was it 1970?) with ADR 1.
Very late Morris (roundies) and all Leylands (Clubmen) had VIN.
The VIN is a 17 digit number (contains letters too). If you have less than these, it sure as hell isn't a VIN.

The numbers you have given line up to be a body number.

In SA, most of the time in the "VIN" area of a roundy, it simply states "Body number not recorded".... which is handy for some instances

I think you'll find it's useful in ALL instances..

If it's got a VIN, it should be down my the rad, yeah?

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willy, a VIN plate is a worldwide standard and is 18 digits, they started about 1980 or so and no Oz Mini got one.

What you describe are `compliance' plates. These all just show which ADRs the car complies with, they don't even show the engine number.
Compliance plates are not essential for re-registration..

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

Number on the rad shroud is used for rego on cars from 1969 on.
Earlier cars used the number on the firewall. But some dill vehicle inspectors (in NSW anyhow) seem to think the rad shroud number is used for ALL Minis..

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

thats right however this car has the body number listed as a vin number on the rego papers..

and when entered into the (revs) history the information in my previous posts come up... it also says the rego expiry is 09/12 and he only just registered the car this week..

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oil leak?..what oil leak..that puddle under the car is just sweat from all that horsepower

Well yeah the rego papers say VIN, (edit /chassis number) as they are written for modern cars..
Your car sounds dodgy maybe...

[edit] sounds like he got 6 months rego.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

something doesnt seem right with it, i cant work out why the previous owner to the current one would go to the trouble to respray the car but not the engine bay and then sell it a month later....

he told me he just put 12 months rego on and besides 09/12 isnt 6 months from today..

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oil leak?..what oil leak..that puddle under the car is just sweat from all that horsepower

On a Roundy its on the drivers side near the firewall/bulkhead area.
The two plates (VIN plate and body plate) are next to each other.

On a Gayland it's on the front & top edge inner guard on the drivers side.

I can think of a reason...

And it's probably the same reason you should leave the car alone..

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