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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:51 pm 
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Yeah I'm with mickmini there
Vac bag is easier than it sounds.
I build surf housings for cameras as a hobby.
And vac bag using an old fridge compressor.
Cost $50 with all the electricals sorted and quieter than the fridge in the kitchen!
Surface finish on carbon fibre is difficult though.
All the other consumable stuff can be subtituted but those things aren't really that expensive except carbon / kevlar and epoxy.

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mickmini wrote:
kazjim wrote:
Also, the CF wont be Vacuum formed / cured - i just dont have access to that kind of stuff,

J


It's easier than you think, although maybe a bit noisy for the neighbours :wink: I got these tips from my mate who used to make America's Cup yachts in Spain and Italy (no they never won, but hey they did not sink like the Aussie one :roll: ) He also made a yacht that was a gift from the factory to the King of Spain

1. Vacuum bag = $2 shower curtain from Spotlight (or similar)
2. Absorbtion cloth = $1/m cotton wadding from Spotlight
3. release ply = commercial grade baking paper with little perforated holes in it from catering supplier
4. vacuum pump = eductor and hose attached to your air compressor (this is the noisy bit !)
5. Oven = cardboard box with a fan heater blowing into it.

can't remember what they used to seal the bags, but i can find out. This really works, i saw a video of him making the King's boat and this is what they were doing :!: They were making 3m long rudders and 4 m long keels using this method, so a little speedo pod should be a breeze


Ok i got a couple of items wrong there so here we go after refreshing my memory with my mate.

1. Builders plastic is ok for vacuum bag, but it can puncture if your oven gets too hot. I would use proper vacuum film. It is readily available and not expensive. (Once upon a time you had to buy a whole roll at $1000 a shot.)
2. nylon shower curtain is for peel ply and upholstery felt or cushion stuffing for absorbtion layer (breather)
3. commercial perforated baking paper for peel ply
4. eductor for compressed air hose to form vacuum - get from panel beaters supplies, they use as vacuum cleaners
5. carboard box oven with fan heater. Or an electric blanket works well for this type of small item.
6. vaccum bag sealer = tacky tape - this is the real aerospace gear - nothing else serves. It is not expensive $20 roll, see contacts below

Suppliers.

shower curtain (peel ply) and cushion stuffing (breather) - get from haberdashery

baking film - bakery

resin, vac film, tacky tape, fillers - SP Systems in Mona Vale

Useful info: http://www.spsystems.com

michael

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Kaz did you need a Mark1 binica;..if so I have one you can use..it does have some of the normal brakes and cracks ..But I don't Need it :wink:

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I've got a "Perfect" Mk1 Single Speedo one, but i need a Mk1 "S" Binnacle (the one with the 4 screw-holes in the front...)

that is if anyone wants a copy later on.....

I've got a Mk2 "S" (MiniMatic) one here i can copy...

Thanks Gaf, any help appreciated.... it'll be a few weeks before we ramp up and start any real runs, a lot to learn first! Will let you guys know

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hehe..no trouble I only havea spare single..anytime mate :wink:

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James,
My mate Rob has already made a mould off one of my Mk1 S Binacles, it was a mint uncracked binacle, the best one I had......... :roll:

Yup you've guessed it he broke it into several pieces getting it out of the mould! :shock: :twisted: :shock: :twisted:

He made me about 3 F/glass versions, but I still have not forgiven him! :cry:

Only consolation is the results are very good, I will ask him if he still has the mould?

Cheers

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:14 pm 
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Sorry Guys - looking at the dates, this is a while ago - but:

Did this ever happen, is there any photo's of the final product?

And - The biggy :?:

Are they still available.

We have a 64 Mk1 850 (for info)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:16 am 
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I'd be interested in one, I can tell you!


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I once made a very effective vacuum press using a pump out of a refrigerator, that lumpy
black thing that includes the motor, also it's as quite as your refrigerator.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:52 am 
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There are the S binnacles made in the UK in fibreglass and carbon.

http://www.carbonweezel.co.uk/classic_mini.html


http://absmotorsport.co.uk/index.php/cl ... LxGlyuUfws

And the plastic ones are being made too

http://www.minispares.com/product/Class ... A2702.aspx

But I haven't seen any 850 ones

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:23 pm 
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timmy201 wrote:
There are the S binnacles made in the UK in fibreglass and carbon.

http://www.carbonweezel.co.uk/classic_mini.html


http://absmotorsport.co.uk/index.php/cl ... LxGlyuUfws

And the plastic ones are being made too

http://www.minispares.com/product/Class ... A2702.aspx

But I haven't seen any 850 ones


Thanks - I'm after the 850 Single Centre Mounted Speedometer Binnacle - Always to good to see new links though that I've not seen (and can add to my Mini Favourites for later viewing and consideration) .

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:24 pm 
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DavidE wrote:
I'd be interested in one, I can tell you!


I'll let you know how I go - or stay watching.

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