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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:48 pm 
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LOL i know you can't help yourself :roll:

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LOL i know you can't help yourself :roll:

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Does that mean I get excused? :P

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UPDATE 21st NOV

Well folks the numbers are in!

On Saturday i decided to put the engine back onto the dyno to try out a few intake manifold and exhaust setups to see where I can easily gain more HP.

This arose as Graham recently found out on the Project Small Bore motor (The Mini Experience Magazine motor) could not product the same results using a weber and a redline 3.5inch manifold. Graham said he tried lots of things including porting out the redline as much as he could to compensate for the shape and size that the redline is. He had eventually come to the conclusion that th redline was the key restriction as we all know that webers make alot of power and the exhaust manifold was the same Supa Pipes.

This sort of made me think about how much I was losing on a 113hp output which is slightly more than the Small Bore project.

So I decided to throw on Graham's 5inch manifold that has scored very highly on his flow bench in the past. In theory the longer intake will mean several things:

1) There will be more flow flow meaning more torque
2) The torque will be produced earlier (gets on the cam earlier) and the motor will hold onto the torque for longer
3) I will have to mod my firewall to accomodate the intake, sidedraft and a filter :lol:

Well here are the numbers!!

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119.7hp!!!

A few qucik Engine specs:
1330cc 1100S block
10.2 CR
RE13 cam
Maniflow medium bore LCB
RE5 inch intake manifold
36mm chokes
2" OD, 1 7/8" ID main pipe and straight through exhaust

So here's a few tid bits that some may find interesting:

- We tried to run 1 3/4 inch main pipe and 1 3/4 RC40 and lost (yes LOST) 10hp right through the whole rev range! We could not get the 1 3/4 pipes to work any better than around 107-112hp

- I am running no ram tubes, just Dr Mini's special tuning stub stacks 8) Did not try without anything at all but graham assures me that there is bugger all difference in them. This is good as space is already a premium at that end of things :lol:

- The minispares competition centre oil pickup LOSES 20psi oil pressure (from 80 to 60psi) when hard on the trottle. When you back off the trottle, it bounced back to 80psi. This is due soley to starvation at the pickup end and nothing else. There is simply not enough flow at the end of the pickup pipe. When i rebuild this engine I will piss that off in a hurry! or mod it to have a bigger mesh area

- I am running a total of 27 degrees max advance. She won't take anymore and does not need anymore.

- I am running a modified D4R83 pulsar dissy. I don't mean modified to accept a drive dog from a mini, BUT really modified as in change the advance curve to suit a mini. This is a BIG DEAL people so listen up! The advance curve on a pulsar dissy (either D4R83 or 85) have the wrong curve. They have far too much advance far too slowly. The result is that if you tune a stock pulsar dissy to have the correct curve at high revs, lets say 4000rpm, then you will lose up to 10ft/lbs of torque on the low end as the dissy is running way off down low. If you set it for the right advance down low, it will be way off at high revs which can be DISATEROUS. Be careful! I highly recommend if you are thinking about changing dissy to get your points dissy serviced with new points, rotor, cap, or get a pulsar one modified for the right curve.

Anyway, that's all for now. This week I will be frantically stripping Lillee to get a weber box welded and get this engine into my car so I can go for a drive!!! More updates later :D

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nice one chong!

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Wow look at those figures really makes you think about what will gain and what wil loose power for you. Anyways keep up the good work and soon you'll have a beast of a engine in beautiful Lillee, congrats once again Chong and Lillee. Make her proud&happy Chong.


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those are some awesome figures, i like that you are thinking of the Whole engine, realising what will effect what, and doing the job properely.
is that 0.3hp going to piss you off? just as bragging rights? i guess itd make 120 easy on a real cold day :D

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Thanks guys.

Hahaha no 119.7 is close enough to 120 for my books. The dyno room was well over 40 degrees so even with compensation I am sure the oxygen levels in that room were no where near normal :lol:

It's amazing what little things can effect power output i would not be surprised if it runs better/worste in the car :shock:

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Never mind the numbers, the engine sounds horn too!!

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Haha thanks Dan

Mate finished taking out the wiring tonight! Just keep telling yourself it's worthwhile is what I keep saying to myself!!! :oops:

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The work I need to do!!!! :?

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The jigsaw puzzle I need to work out!!!! :cry:

Lucky i took the time to label everything because it's going to be a BIG job in the end... I hate wires! :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:48 am 
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I withdraw my offer to help mate, fark that, I hate spaghetti!!!! Buy a new loom and ill come plug it all in for ya ;)

Chong, dont worry, down hill you will gain the 0.3 :lol:

Seriously, your engine bay will look amazing when you finish!

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Great result chong, excellent work, you have every right to be proud of the results.

Interesting about the central oil pickup, but the relevant question is whether there is sufficient volume of oil being picked up by the pipe to feed the mains etc, not necessarily the psi.

Be interested in GR's views on this.

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You are right! that is a concerning fact. Graham says it will be ok but not an ideal situation to be in and would not be acceptable in a race car however in a road car it should be ok as you don't see 6500 on every gear over and over. The real worry is when debris gets caught in the small mesh area which will further restrict flow :shock:

Graham advises to use the stock pickup rather than the minispares oil pickup...

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Nice one Chong and a dame intersting read.Shame I missed Staurday as I realy wanted to be thier
Must say a lot ofwhat you have done has changed my mind on what I will b doing on my motor :wink:

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Lillee wrote:
You are right! that is a concerning fact. Graham says it will be ok but not an ideal situation to be in and would not be acceptable in a race car however in a road car it should be ok as you don't see 6500 on every gear over and over. The real worry is when debris gets caught in the small mesh area which will further restrict flow :shock:

Graham advises to use the stock pickup rather than the minispares oil pickup...


But my interest is race/sprints application for an engine that sees 7 - 8000rpm regularly. I am about to strip my engine for a refresh that will include sending the cam back to GR for a refresh, I will inspect crank etc carefully. Seems like there needs to be a better solution for this. Maybe something GR can mention to KC to look at back in UK.

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Graham told me the old Minispares pipe with bottom pickup is better than the new one. Next time apart I'll be modding the new pipe to match my old one.

Only problem I ever had with the old design was they got rubbed by the reverse selector fork in remote boxes, this wears the mesh away. Easy enough to bend the pipe a little to clear, before fitting.. :wink:
At least the new pipes do miss.

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