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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:40 pm 
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advice required on getting an interstate 850 with a 998 registered in sydney without too much crap.


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should not be a problem getting a blue slip inspection for this car, just go to a blueslip inspector and I am sure you will not have a problem, just take a copy of the old interstate rego papers and bobs your uncle or a receipt for the purchase of the vehicle

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As long as the engine capacity has not increased by more than 10% you should be right, im having a heap of trouble getting my clubman that i changed from the original 1100 motor to a injected 1275, just getting a part blueslip for the engine number change, they are saying it has to be fully enginnered as the engine is more than 10% bigger, its like bashing your head up against the wall.

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I thought you didnt need an engineers if the motor came from the factory i.e Beefa came with an 1100 but I want to put in a 1275, does this also mean I need an engineers certficate?

It may vary on state to state as well :?:

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2 S's & a clubman wrote:
As long as the engine capacity has not increased by more than 10% you should be right, im having a heap of trouble getting my clubman that i changed from the original 1100 motor to a injected 1275, just getting a part blueslip for the engine number change, they are saying it has to be fully enginnered as the engine is more than 10% bigger, its like bashing your head up against the wall.

Doogie


As Doogie said, any change of engine capacity by more then 10% requires an engineering certificate. This is appliciable to the car and engine as it rolled off the production line. Unfortunately just because some mini's came off the line with a 1275 does not I can drop a 1275 into my 850.

Find an engineer that has dealt with mini's before and save yourself the problems that come with the shonky mechanic.

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um, 850 - 998 is more than 10% :?

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This situation is exactly what the draft regs from DOTAR were supposed to stop but unfortunatly they have not been adopted in any state as yet and the original regs are a pain it not only effects minis its the same for Holdens having a 173 putting in a 202 or for ffords and then they can ask you to prove what year your motor was made and tell you it must meet that years ADR's( I had to fit a cat to the Midas) but here is the trick for interstate cars, if it has been rego's in another state for 2 years they will accept the vehicle as presented as long as you have proof of the vehicle having been rego'd with the engine number :D so for those buying interstate and moving have the car transfered into your name before moving

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So, if i have a blueslip mechanic who is willing to pass the vehicle will the RTA pick up on the engine number being a different size motor or will they just process the rego as it is handed to them.


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Just let them know its a 998 and it should not be a problem

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Settle down. I just had my 850 with 998 blue slipped with no hassle whatsoever. The guy was more worried about the ID of the car than the engine size. Once i had the blue slip, the RTA just processed the rego. But it must be the correct capacity on the rego otherwise your insurance company will get a way out if you don't have the vehicle correctly registered.

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"Does the RTA require notification of the modifications?

All major modifications must be reported to the RTA. Minor modifications made to the motor vehicle or its equipment which affect registration details must be reported to the RTA to ensure that accurate records are maintained. These details include engine number, engine capacity/motive power/number of cylinders, body shape, fittings, number of seating positions, unladen (tare) weight, gross vehicle mass, axle code, wheelbase & overall axle space. If the unladen weight has changed, the owner must provide a weighbridge ticket for the vehicle in its new configuration.

Modifications are reported to the RTA by obtaining an “Adjustment of Records” and a “blue slip” from an Authorised Unregistered Vehicle Inspection Station (AUVIS). For details of your nearest AUVIS contact the RTA’s Customer Service Centre on 13 22 13.
The Adjustment of Records, blue slip and any engineering certificate are then presented at a Motor Registry. The owners copy of the engineering certificate is stamped and endorsed by the RTA and must be kept in the vehicle. This certificate must be presented to an authorised officer of the RTA or the police when requested."



Doogie if your blue slip guy is giving you hassle read this and tell him he is full of it. This is available on the rta website and is current.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf

Specifically the section that says
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"Do I need an engineering signatory for minor modifications?
Vehicle modifications fall into three distinct categories:
“Owner certified” minor modifications which can be accepted for registration purposes without formal certification;
• “Engineering sgnatory certified” modified production vehicles; and
• “Engineering signatory certified” individually constructed vehicles.

Owner certified minor modifications are generally those modifications which were optional equipment for the vehicle concerned. Owner certified modifications also include some non-standard modifications of a minor nature which do not affect the level of safety, strength or reliability of vital systems such as brakes and steering. These
modifications have little or no impact upon the vehicle’s level of compliance with the Australian Design Rules.

Examples of minor (owner certified) modifications are:
engine changes where the capacity increase is less than 15% above the maximum size engine available for the vehicle (providing no major structural modifications are necessary and where noise and/or exhaust emission ADRs apply, all standard equipment such as carburettors, exhaust systems, exhaust gas recirculating valves,
oxygen sensors and catalytic convertors relating to noise and emission control are retained and operate correctly);

• the fitting of a proprietary sunroof (if the modifications are of a minor nature only);
fitting a “package” available as optional equipment for the vehicle (eg front disc brakes, power steering, alternative transmission and bucket or bench seats);
• additional lighting eg: fog & driving lights;
alternative wheels and tyres within the owner certified limits set by the Authority (see Vehicle Standards Information Sheet No. 9 “Guidelines for Alternative Wheels & Tyres”);
• fitting of handling enhancing suspension components such as roll stabiliser bars and up-rated shock absorbers.

Major modifications which fall outside the category of minor (owner certified) modifications, require submission of certification by an engineering signatory. This is usually in the form of an “engineering certificate” prepared by the
signatory."


From what i have seen of Penny's clubby, the areas in bold are what you have done.
1. 1275 is the maximum engine size available for the vehicle, so there is no increase in capacity to consider. No structural mods required, and the emissions ADRs are met because it is injected.
2. (from memory) you fitted a standard disc brake package avaliable for the vehicle i.e. 8.4"discs off the Rover front cut. Now just because they came from a Rover is irellevant, because they were available on late model Leylands anyway. The auto transmission and airconditioning were also part of that package, although the aircon should be considered an owner certifiable proprietary aftermarket package.
3. The wheels are a standard owner certifiable size.
4. You are prepared to stand by your own workmanship and the cars safety as modified because you let Penny drive it, and with kids in it.

As a professional engineer (not an rta engineering signatory mind you), i deal with this kind of stuff every day. The trick is to read the information available to you and understand it, and if you don't understand, the right thing is to ask the person to show you in writing the RTA rules that show what is necessary and explain it to you. If some clown wants you to go and pay $600+ for a certificate that is not required, or can not/will not show you why, then you have to question their professional competence and go elsewhere.

Doogie, PM or call me or talk to me on the weekend if you need some help putting words together to beat them down with.

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