Yes the gearboxes are interchangeable.....same as FWD 4efe and 4efte boxes.....4efte being stronger and using a larger clutch.
None of the aussie starlet guys have had the guts to turbo an AWD yet....although there is a guy who has done it in NZ..... I think his business is QUEST 4 performance..... last I heard though, he was too scared to drop the clutch in it too
(all stemming from the gearbox/drivetrain being built for a 55kw at the fly engine)

I personally think it'd work fine.....especially in a mini, as it weighs less than a starlet, so less stress trying to get it moving. The FWD 4efe gearbox has been proven to hold 200hp ATW......as long as you dont dump the clutch at 7000rpm!

There was a whole, running and registered EP85 for sale a while back for about $2000....very rare though.

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1998 Toyota starlet.....161.1hp atw

interesting...very...very...VERY interesting...shall have to telephone spam the wreckers (again) for an ep95/85 gb by the sounds of things i also have a bunch of friends in japan that i could get to look into this for me...might be easier to find over there

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1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

Well I have been asking around for a while now.. & everyone says that no one does it now.. as the gearboxes are like glass... These Gear boxes were designed to be taking around 75hp at the wheels... after you are hitting 140hp at the wheels they are said to be failing... (BANG) the only choice is maybe a custom gearset... But then we are talking big $$$ plus dont forget you have to make a additional tunnel down the car.. $$$ then.. if you will need the boot space for the Diff.. list goes on..

But if you are serious about AWD.. & hadn't already bought a 4efte I think the Celica Gearbox is the way to go.. so the 3g motor... But then hard to get registered... Have to look into any 1.6l motor that bolts onto the 3g gearbox.. & then turbo from there!

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Toyota are (as is most Japanese manufacturers) renowned for making just about everything interchangable. Don't be suprised is the gearset from the 4EFTE box doesn't fit straight in. To give you an example, two week ago, I pulled the seat out of my sisters '94 starlet and bolted it STRAIGHT INTO my Dad's early 70's model Landcruiser. I crap you not.



You will only need to 'widen' the existing tunnel. It's only an eight foot long, 12inch wide rolled bit of sheet metal. There's ten minutes and coupla hunji bucks to give you the room you need. Fitting it won't be difficult at all. And as for the diff, piece of piss, consider the trouble you and I and others are going to fit these motors into mini. Next time you see a Scooby Doo look at the rear dif, it would struggle to be 6 inches tall. Modifying the boot floor, as you know, aint that hard. Making new rear suspension arms would be a challenge but quite achievable given the right amount of determination. The driveshaft would need to pass through where the dry cone is but easily fixed with a pair of coilover and you could even use the rear subframe still. All you would need to do is build a kind of 0 around the drive shaft. Easy as. You may get the drift i've given this some thought. I wanted to do this to the gti motor.

My approach would be different - similar to a Vizard live rear end,
but using a suitable diff from an early Datto/Toyo/Colt ?
Whatever is lightest/suitable.
Get rid of the rear subframe & save more weight

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Datto 1200 diffs are supposed to be tough and I am guessing about the right size and weight I think they might be a triffle wide maybe....

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Rear track Datto 1200 1245mm vs 1181mm for a mini

bah, nothing a good set of flares wouldn't hide

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Too many cars, and too little time.

Datsun 1000 diff = 1181mm

PERFECT MATCH

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ok so sounds like the only real hurdle is the gearbox...looks like i'll have to do some research into what might fit under the 4efte gearbox wise...and still be awd...to the starlet forums i go!

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1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

I don't know but the tunnel in this picture doen't seem to have been widened
OK so he still has to run the exhaust somewhere but that shouldn't be unachieveable.

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Yeah but for me my 3inch exhast system from the turbo fills that Tunnel Already..

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so you are saying that its possible that the 4efte gearset MIGHT fit into the 4efe gearhousing? thereby turning yer glass 4efe gearbox into something a bit stronger? and probably able to take the load of 200kw and awd?

if this is remotely achieveable for less than $10,000 (for the awd part only)...i'd so do it...

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"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

Jeremy,

What about the Toyota Tercel (Corolla II in JDM).

I have heard that their gearboxes & diffs are bulletproof (being used as a pretend 4WD).

The engineering to install the rear diif/arms/panhard rod etc is really quite simple. And the existing tunnel is definately wide enough for a propshaft. The exhaust would then have to be made out of oval tubing to get it to fit under the body.

My question Jeremy: does 4efte mate up to tercel gearbox??

Regards,
Andy

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Being used as a pretend 4wd and being used as a rally/drag car are two different things in my mind......with alot more chance of transmission failure in the latter......

Corolla II's were sold in small quantities in Australia, although this is the first i've heard of them having an AWD model. There are a few kicking around the www.austarletclub.com forums. A guy called Rosscoe is probably going to be the best guy to answer your question.....he's owned a few corolla II's (also called Corsa) including a couple of Corsa GP turbo's. He has done a 4efte engine transplant on one of them, but i'm unsure what gearbox he used.

I have him on MSN.....i'll ask him tonight if he's on...

cheers,
Jeremy

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1998 Toyota starlet.....161.1hp atw

There are lots of Tercels around and AFAIK they are all AWD

I was wondering about the exhaust routing problem....

Wierd idea but would it be possible to put exhausts down the sills between the floor pan and the outer sill if you were using mini rear swing arms they would get in the way to rout them back out the back (unless you had side exit exhausts ) but a beam axle and it could possibly work (the area for a pipe might be too small though what if you split the pipes in two and routed one down either side)

Oh well, that's my stupid idea for the day it would look kinda neat. Too many bends and kinks

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