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 Post subject: BMW twin cam head
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:55 am 
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hi guys I was just wondering if anyone had fitted a BMW head to their mini? I have seen the youtube video but that alone does not sell it for me. Sure it ran and all but has anyone got any power figures/cost figures.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:17 am 
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TheMiniMan is doing a kit up (I think the thread is "oops how did this get here" or something). Don't know where he's up to with it but he may have had it on the dyno by now - PM him or wait until he's next on and see's this thread and he'd probably answer.

<edit> here is the link http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25840

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:47 am 
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One of the miniman's friends has been running a twink head for quite a while ( i think its an 8v) without any problems.....but maybe Matt can confirm that.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:42 pm 
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The heads are a good price..... but are the cheapest bit of the conversion. The price of the kit to make em fit might shock you. Still cheaper than a KAD, but out of my price range.

I'm not saying that its not worth it though.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:07 pm 
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do u know what tehyre worth nathan?

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last post I saw he was still working out a price for the whole kit. and it didn't look like his kit was too far off.

he was selling a twinky head on ebay minus the kit and it was cheap

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:15 pm 
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yeah the price is not really bothering me at the moment. I am just interested in effectivness. I read a lot of plugs for the item and I have been brainwashed so, I just want to know how good it is before i buy one. The turbo version is not what I am looking for.Just a nice N/A one.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:07 am 
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do u know what tehyre worth nathan?


Yes. But I would rather people talked to Matt personally if theyre interested.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:29 pm 
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The "Bimmer Twinky" conversion parts kit is not far off at all now, My machinist is on them as i type this, there`s lots & lots of bits & pieces that make up a "FULL" kit & the "Other" makers of this kit overseas neglect to include some of those bits in their basic kit & have them as additional purchases ontop of the basic kit.

i`m trying to make all the bits needed avaliable in my kit & yet have the whole lot supplied at a better price at the same time. (& don`t forget you have freight costs, import duty, GST, & customs costs if buying an over seas kit)

There are the 2 basic cyl heads avaliable (unless you wanted to go for the later 1200cc Bimmer cyl head --> bigger valves & cams--> Yummy tell your mummy)

But the 8 valve cyl head is pretty well nearly as good as the 16v head, only a tad down on HP, (8-10Hp) but the 8 valve is slightly beeter in the torque dept lower in the revs & the 16v head is better suited to upper end revs.

The basic fitting kit is much the same, only slight differences in the 2 "Flange plates" --> one for the cam cover & the other for the lower section of the front of the head.

I`m trying to keep my kits down to around the $2000-2500mark, but we still have to wait & see when they`re all finished

Power??? you ask about power??? hee hee,,, well that`s all up to you & how much you want,,, We`ve allready seen over 150hp in naturally asspirated form,,, & well over 200hp in turbo form & it really doesn`t make "THAT" much difference which head you use,,, yes the 16v is better for the higher revs, but the 8v is better for the lower end of the rev range...& it all depends on your build & how much power you want & how much money you want to spend to get what you want. 300+hp in turbo form is not out of the question.

If you go naturally asspirated then you`ll want to spend money on some hi compression (domey top/fly cut) pistons to suit,,,

if you go the forced induction route then you`ll be looking at trimming down pistons (or buying forged to suit) & spending money on the turbo & computer

either way they`re both very very good

once fitted & running you will find that it sounds & goes just like a motorbike

very very Smooth, clean, quiet & reliable,,, yet economical when driven that way. & no more dam lumpy crap primary gear chatter, the cyl head design & the injection systems are just so dam good these days that it`s as smooth as a babys bottom.

But if you want to go fast, then just push the right peddle down... however i do recomend that you fit an orange clutch diaphram when building one of these, even in naturally asspiratted form,,, i think you will find that a blue just isn`t up to the job,,, My first engine fried the clutch while road tuning & that engine was N/A & at only 7.5:1 comp ratio... that should tell you something

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:56 pm 
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TheMiniMan wrote:
...... around the $2000-2500mark......


If I could cut 3-400 words into 5 I'ld like to add that is pretty damn good value is you ask me.

I have no interest in playing with a mini motor (now) but had this kit been available prior to me doing a conversion I might have have taken this route. Heck I don't think you need to fit it to a 1275. Build a strong 998, fit the head and kit, turbocharge it and you'll have some damn good, sustainable numbers.

I saw Matt's car with a BMW head fitted and it looked like it was meant to be there.

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$2500 sounds ok, but how about the rest of the engine build. there are other things to do then just slap a twin cam head on, dont get me wrong, i bought a 16v head from matt and im in line to get the kit, but there are other costs involved that wont be in the final kit, true?
it all depends how far you want to go i guess

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All the kit needs to make it perfect is two extra bearings for the crank so it can have a long life at high revs.


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Mokesta wrote:
All the kit needs to make it perfect is two extra bearings for the crank so it can have a long life at high revs.

Ah but if you take a racing MGB for example, the 5 bearing one doesn't rev as well, and it still breaks cranks too! :lol:

Not that I hate B series, but- somebody once said, mods that give you extra power in an A series just give more noise in a B series.. :P

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:15 pm 
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I was hinting at Japanese... not another tractor motor. Oh, and a 5th gear would be nice too.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:53 am 
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how about relocating studs, new oil ways? anything else?

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