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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:52 pm 
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will i can weld with oxy and mig oh and stick .... so what can you do exactly ????


Um yeah i can weld MIG, Arc, and Oxy.
But can you TIG?
Have you ever tried it?
I've tried it, and was only allowed to do it once, same as every oen in the class - pov school wouldnt let us weld any more with it! :lol:


willy, I am not trying to put you down, just explaining what I have found. My son has just completed high school metal work up to year 12 and let me be the first to tell you he can't weld. He can stick two pieces of metal together and he built a trailer in the final year but he CANNOT weld. He topped the year in metal work so it goes to show what the standards are like in schools. Don't kid yourself about your skills, it takes years to become a proficient welder. Buy a gas MIG and don't muck around with anything less. I have welded TIG and did get a pressure ticket for it. This took much practise to perfect one weld to the required standard.



No offence taken Chris.
I totally agree with what you've said.
Our school doesn't have a year 12 metalwork class, so i wasn't able to do it. I agree that my skills would not be comparable to that of an intermediate level, or above, welder.
My welds would be shot down by anyone that knows anything about welding, i'm pretty sure :lol:
A mig welder would be very handy to have.
Tell me more about them - when the gas expires in the bottle; what does a recharge cost? And does the purchase of the welder come with your own bottle or do you have to rent a bottle, like with OXY welders.


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I use MIG at work day in and day out. You do tend to get what you pay for with these things. Those cheapies work, just.. but have rudimentary control of voltage- not enough steps. (stepless is the best but costs way more do$h).

If you are serious about MIG welding and want something that lasts, save yer money up and then spend $1000 or so on a Lincoln, WIA, Miller or other big name brand. In 5 or 10 years, you will be able to get parts for it. 8)

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You can get gasless MIGs from Repco for about that price too....cheap as chippies...

They are SIP made :wink:

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willy, you can buy CO2 gas in tiny throwaway canisters for 40 bux or so, but it only lasts 5 minutes..
Or you can rent a gas bottle from BOC, Linde Gas or Air Liquide.
CO2 works, but Argon based mixed gases are nicer to use.

I use an E size, Argoshield Light (was called Argoshield 50) from BOC.
I like them as they are alloy not steel like the others- so they're lighter.
You can get the smaller D size, but they don't last near as long. :wink:

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I am sure Kev will agree with me when I say MIG welding done to a good standard is NOT easy! MIG appears to be easy but to get good penentration especially out of position is bloody hard. Never let anyone tell you any welding is easy. Want to have some fun? try aluminium welding with oxy. Gauranteed to put a new meaning of frustration in your life. If I was buying a MIG I would look for an upmarket machine, then buy it second hand. The brands to look for would be Miller, Esab, WIA, Lincoln, there are others but you get what you pay for. Put a new handle and lead on it and you will have a good machine. I bought an ESAB recently this way and it is brilliant. If you have 3 phase available you can get some great used welders

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my father was a aircraft ground enginer he taught me to use oxy and stick then said ok cut the rust out and put the plates in i said you gunna help he said yep and cracked a beer pulled up a seat and said get to it if i had the flame wrong he would say so and thats all he helped me with i had to do the rest my self also repaired a lower gaurd useing the oxy and metle to fill the holes then grind flat
since i have done a fair amount of work with oxy till some scumbag broke into my shed and stole all my equipment
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I looked at the little MIGs new, but decided to buy an industrial 240V one S/H.
My Kemppi (made in Finland) was bought S/H from a dealer 10 years ago, it's an ex panelbeater's machine, about 15 years old now.
I bought a new Binzel torch & regulator for it when I got it. No problems since, and parts are still available here.

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willy, you claim that ARC welders are "crap", when you see someone who can weld use a arc welder you will change your opinion, my Dad welded 2 gaurds & a front apron onto a clubman with a arc welder, he turned the amps down low & used a block of brass to absorb the heat out of the panels. Do your homework before deciding something is shitty.

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Okay bad wording.

"Arc welders are not ideal for panel repair."
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but if you listen to what doogie just said they are ideal IF YA KNOW WHAT YA DOING
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You dont.


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Makka just remember "You can't put brains into statues" I think that sums up the young boy quite well! You going to to Sylvania for brekky tommorow?

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No I don't live anywhere near Sylvania. :?


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na mate still got a car here that the guy is working on and i have to pick up my shed put my parts in it and finish this other car
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the way i see it it comes down to the job at hand
any type of welder can do almost any job, it just comes down to having the right gear to do the job
i must admit i am lucky in the sence that i have mig, tig/arc, oxy and a plasma cutter so i can pick which machine to use for what job, but for those that dont a little research and you will find all the info on how to do the job with what you have

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