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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:24 pm 
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Okkher yep
So yesterday i drove it in to mechanic, today he calls me on the phone,
Hello, Mr. Mini owner your mini is buggered mate.

Here i find the sad old thing alone, and waited to become learned of the situation and possible grappling required to 'fix' the beast, in the best ways
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Well
There was the blown head gasket as visible,
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even though there were no apparent symptoms of to suggest so, apart from the crazy water loss.

some other silly pictures, the Valve tops were 'spongy' as im sure you all know how they go?, but i didnt even know what a valve was before then, so i learned a lot.
There was a fair amount of carbon build up around the place too, in the cylinders and such as well.
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BUT the options presented were.

1. Plonk the entire thing back on as is.
The bloke suggested a possible life span on it if this was done, but its so unpredictable as you can understand, but 5,000-10,000 kays was the best guess that i could be given if it just left as is. BUT it could be as low as 1,000 or could also blow out to 20,000 kays, or anything, its just too unknown.

2. Get the head done up.
This would include new valve umm, something? 'tops'? i think? Well theyd be able to run straight unleaded, whatever the repairing here did. Also the other valves, exhaust valves? i think? theyd be resurfaced or whatever needed doing. The head gasket would be more ontop of that., But the head would be 'perfect' if this happened.

BUT as you would all know, and i was educated on, If i was to do this (2), ovbiously it would put crazy strain on the oil rings and so on, and it was already in not flash condition, so the mechanic said it was a bit of a hard decision to know if it was worth doing 2, cause it would only lead to more problems. Yet this head work was told to be about 380 bucks, plus the gasket price plus labour.

Therefore,
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3. Completely rebuild/overhaul? the engine.
i got told the complete details on this, New pistons, whatever rings, camshaft, oil pump, re-bore, have a cranksaft grind or something, i dont even really know well what the bits are, but it was a complete do over, so undoubtably ive missed items,
But this guy was in Launceston, a pretty well known mini guy, averages a rebuild a month.
But he said once it has the rebuild, they are a very good 'problem' free car, Number 3 also included all the head work, and i could fit a possible clutch that ive enquired to Karcraft about for free.
But the Engine rebuild cost would be around the $2,000 mark, yet it could rise or decrease, but mostly rise i think.

Its a very hard choice to make actually, what am i supposed to do??
Is it worth spending at least 2 grand on the car that isnt even worth that much when it is done up, yet it means so much more to me than that! :P So its not really about monetary value of the car. I made a recent pictorial post about the bad body area of the mini, i just wouldnt want all that to flare up if i went ahead with this engine rebuild, then have a rust bucket with a perfect engine, wouldnt make sense really.

Yet, it seems rather funny though, and maybe its a sign that i should get it rebuilded, on the weekend i ordered a new camera, Fuji S9500, worth a grand in the shops, online :roll: for under 800 delivered, it was risky, but i was going to do it, just for some randomness.
It seems that the email i got last night from the camera shop people, was a blessing in disguise.
They dont have any in stock, and they can cancel my order, or wait 1-2-3 weeks until they can deliver one to me.
Maybe this was meant to be? Cause i wanted that camera, but so convenient that on this particular day, they were out of stock, and ive saved myself $800 there, cause ive got a perfectly 'good' camera.

Its a pretty good sign there alone i think.

money saved = money = engine rebuild

Want another sign!!
here go ?

Well all the weather has been a real bastard lately, raining, and there isnt much outside work to do on the farm, So the casual workers have been told not to come for now.
I got such a surprise when i didnt get told not to come to work, cause for the last 11 months, im sure i was casual.
Turns out last friday, i was indirectly informed that i was infact a 'full-time' worker, not casual. Therefore, i have been going to work, and just stuffing around cleaning years of accumulated mess in a shed.
But im at work and im getting paid for it.
If i was casual, which i was sure i was, then id be having a sleeping in everday for the last 3 work days, and the next 2-3 aswell.
How random? :?
Work = money = engine rebuild

All the sings seem to point that i 'can' or should get it done?
actually, i 'love' my mini, its done so much for me :P, and it has been such a little monster for me, i cant just go abandoning it when it needs help the most.
I wasnt really going to sell it back 4-5 months ago, i could never have typed out the 'for sale' page, its way too tuff for that

so
i am maybe almost possible quite sure that i will go ahead with the rebuild, then have a brand new mechanical fit mini, cause the brakes were recently done, the joints are fine, ill get a clutch done too, and then there may be no more problems, apart from some little visual unappealing items.

I was not given any time frame on the possible completion date of anything if i said YES now, but how long should a rebuld take? Amd id get a complete list of things that they would definately do if i was to have a rebuild, as im sure each mechanic may vary a bit.

Anyways
YIPPEE!
Tell me wheather the 2 grand for this rebuild and head work is reasonable.

Or should i just plonk a decent 1275 in?
But how would i know it were decent? Would a new 1100 (+ whatever its bored to) Be better value than it?
Or i could try to flog it off for 500 bucks :(

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That'll teach 'em :evil: :twisted: 8) :arrow:
as i finish this now, i recall what i meant to say, Valve seats, i meant but cant be bothered finding where i shold have said it, But Seats was the word i wanted :wink:

i must admit that was quite a silly story even by my standards :? :shock: :!:
but thats what happens

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:35 pm 
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i think your best bet would be to do the rebuild , the engine will be fresh and clean you will have a new clutch and should have no dramas. buying another engine you would have a chance of this happening again whereas a rebuilt motor will be good.

give the mini a rebuild and so you have your beast abck :) :wink:

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Camel, you do hardly any miles in this thing (I mean, Tassie is not that big, haha). Yes I've been there.... :wink:

Was it using oil or blowing smoke? Rattling? If not, I'd just do the head up, and bung it back on with a new gasket...
Save yer $$ for when it really needs it.. :lol:

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It uses a heap of oil ,
only Very recently, in the last 3-4 times, has it started to blow a fair bit more smoke than no smoke.

I just remembered that i cant sell the mini, cause then id have no where to put my ausmini logo after winning the funniest award :? :(
so i wont do that.

Well i asked about just whacking a head gasket on, and the guy said he thought about 80 for a gasket, and 200 labour :!: which i thuoght was a bit rich??

So if i spend 300 here, and there and everywhere,
in a little while id need the engie rebuild anyway? :?

The mechanic said about the upper cylinder lubricant, it was helping, but in the minis, it doesn't work so well?

but i have hardly done any miles in it in the last 6 months, wouldnt be 2000 miles.
i think they painted my carby manifolds black too 8) :P :!:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:50 pm 
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$200 in labour for a head gasket is too much
a fully rebuilt motor would be ideal, and then you wouldnt have any more problems with it.


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The $200 labour is probably also to strip/clean the head, reface the valves & seats, valve guides (maybe), reassemble & fit. :wink:

<edit> a head gasket VRS set (includes manifold & rocker gaskets etc) is around $30 or so. Not $80... :shock:

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Camel - the upper cylinder lube does work and I think the mechanic is having a lend of you. He may be fishing for you to get the inserts in the head = dollars for him.

I did near on 100,000 km with vortex and flashlube and then changed to a 12G202 head because it was there - had the inserts though. Still use flashlube as it keeps the plumbing clean. As for the emissions head with 100,000 on it - not a hint of VSR!!!

The motor now has 180,000kms on it and still putting 180psi on all cylinders and not burning oil(although marks its territory every so often).

Wang the head on again, drive it into the ground and when it really shits the biscuit, rebuild time...

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Go for a re-build because that is the only way you can know it will always go when you want it to.
But having said that if you don't want to spend big$$$ just get the head put back on and drive it till it really needs to be re-built like the doc said

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Mate the carbon and oil on the pistons is very minimal you should have seen the how morris look when it became the Bat Mobile. Yer just get the head done and if she aint rite then get the rest done then.
Get the head striped and cleaned up and see what you have then with a better inspection. Even the gasket didn't look like it was blown between the cylinders just looked it had seen better days at the back..maybe a little loss. (why number 2/3 look a little oilier) I'm guessing here.

give us a report and Pic's when the head has been cleaned up :wink:

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Hi Guys,

My thought with the minis has always been that its pointless to rebuild engine or gearbox by themselves. You really need to do both at the same time, as they share the oil supply, so crap from one tends to migrate into the other.

So, my suggestion would be to do the minimum right now, and start saving the $$$ to do both the engine, gearbox and clutch (and to clean up the engine bay while your at it). Otherwise you could get it all reassembled with the lovely new/reco engine, and just have to pull the whole damn lot out again for some other reason.

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The pics there were after they had all the carbon and deposits cleaned off,
The mechanic tried to show me, but theyd already cleaned it off, But there was lots.

The local mechanic will do the dealing with the Launny mechanic where the rebuild is happening, I told the local mechanic prices of a Clutch Kit, $115, and the Head gasket $30, and a few otehr bits, that i need, and he is going to try for them cheaper, if not ill buy them for whoever will fiddle with them for me,

Im going to have a go though,
I asked about getting the bore done 'biggish'
Would it be wise to go all the way (i dont know how it works or what it means) But Should i just go in one hit? What can be done to the 1098?

Get a 'better', bigger, whatever cam, at least, and whatever, what can i do with the motor?
Is it 'worth' fiddling with the 1100? Can all the cam and whatever be pulled out and put in a 1275 when i blow this one up? They are all interchangeable?
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Maybe id have a fiddle with the carby, and exhaust, ive got extractors and 2" pipe and so on, its just got a small crack on the flexi bit , and it needs bending to fit around the gearbox, and then find a carby 1.75" i suppose, anything else may cost too much?

well, ill ask about the gearbox maybe soon,

money, id spend money to get it going good, and slightly quicker, and just so i dont really have to spend much more, in a fair length of time.

But im going to be contacted with details when the rebuilders assess the motor, and then i can tell what cam, bore and anything else i want done to it, so they can.
any ideas :?:

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sounds good, go 40 thou over with the 1100, that leaves you another oversize to 60 thou if you need.
i agree with bunging it back together with a good clean, and save up for the full job


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wouldnt it be a good idea to just try and buy another engine that someone you can trust had done up not so long ago??

thats what id want to do. 2k is such a lot


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Okay your going the full rebuild.

RE 13 Cam from Graham Russell

you will have to find out what bore it is at first to know what size you can go to but 20-40-60 and then you hvae the pistons and ricngs to match

Get them to crack test the crank..for peice of mind

Carbs Dellorto 40 or 1 1/2 oe 1 3/4Su or HIF44

Head well the sky is the limit here just depends on what you want to spend on it = breathing with the head is where most of the power comes from with any good cam

Box this could be costley..did it feel good and went into gear with no dramers and did not pop out of gear

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you would be upset if i told u how much my head cost to put back together when i blew the gasket. :wink:
but i did do all the work my self so thats why it only cost me what it did.

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