warm it up quicker

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Warrick Butt works for Caltex and has chemist's understanding of fuel and its problems. He is on the minimates forum but probably noy on the NSW min forum.

John McMechan should be able to forward a message for you .

Been using ethanol in my fuel for 15 years and I have to say its a god send for me.

Once every 2 months I'd mix in 5% ethanol

Metho from the supermarket is 95% ethanol and 5% methanol (to stop you drinking it) I run a ruel blend of 5% and the engine runs cooler and the other help is it sucks up all the water in your system (which is most of what clogs your fuel filter) and takes it through the combustion process leaving you with a cleaner system. Unfortunatly the correct burn ration for ethanol to air is about 9:1 so the more ethanol mix the more your needing to burn for correct combution efficiency. I get the feeling that the new ethanol blend has some higher octane petrolium mixed with is to maintain the 95 octane rating but hey who cares.

Now everybody is onto to this I'll have to start using paint thinners in the mix again and see if Jonny catches onto that.

Paint thinners (eg toluene) is a great octane booster, but little Johhny has now put an excise on it to deter smarty oil distributors from using it as a fuel extender....
So not as cheap as it was.

BTW I find these new fuels, BP Ultimate 98 etc seem to evaporate much faster than petrols of old.. must have way more solvents in there already.

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The Manildra Group which is Australia's largest producer of ethanol is also one of the largest contributors to the Liberal Party coffers. So naturally the public has a right to ask just how "beneficial" ethanol really is.

One of the key arguments raised is that it would be good for the cane farmers as the waste cane can be converted to ethanol. If that was true it would not necessarily be a bad thing. Catch is, it is grains (mainly wheat) are used to produce most of Australia's ethanol - not cane.

And then there is the cost. The government argues that by using E10 the price of fuel would drop by 3-4 cents per litre. But if they stopped the subsidy to the ethanol industry and reduced the tax on petrol so that the overall budget position was unchanged, it is a safe bet that the same (or maybe a better) reduction in petrol prices could be achieved.

And what about the environmental effects? Yes ethanol is produced from renewable resources, but the machinery that is used to grow and harvest the crops runs on petroleum products - thereby producing environmental "damage". More ethanol = more land used for crops and more machinery = more environmental damage. Also, ethanol has a lower calorific value than petrol which means that to produce the same amount of work (power, distance travelled, etc), you need to use more of it. Naturally this means that you are also using more petrol as the fuel is now a blend. The result, higher exhaust gas outputs. Oh gee, more environmental adverse effects.

And lastly - vehicle damage. In some countries there are cars designed to run on high concentrations of ethanol - read "designed to run". They require special rubbers throughout the fuel system, different calibrations to their injection or carburettor systems and (mostly) are able to produce ethanol cheaply without substantial subsidy - therefore it is significantly cheaper than petrol. Just dropping ethanol in the tank of an older car will result in leaks in the fuel system and poor running. it is possible to avoid/fix this, but at a cost to the owner.

OK. Off my soap box now.

good info all round people! thanks for the input. It has made very interesting reading!!

I tried the United Servos Plus petrol (10%) Ethenol in My Suzuki Vitara, it wasn't until I took it on a long drive to the Border that I found just how bad the fuel economy was, on average country/highway driving I would get between 400 & 450 km per tank. Using a full tank of ethenol blend, I just made over 300 before I had to refuel, the return trip on ULP I made 420km on the tank...

I've not used it since, even with the 4cpl saving it proved way more expensive to use.

But if you believe that propaganda crap that today tonight dish out to people. Then it should be the other way around...

As they did a test on all fuels including ethanol based fules and claimed that you would get better mileage out of ethanol based fuel..

The problem with this test was that they did not use one car but rather four or five different cars. Of course they were all the same model car and came from the same manufacture. But either way I am sure they all consume fuel differently no matter what type it was.

A more realistic indication would have been to test all fuels in just one car and I think you will find there will be different results than the ones they recorded.

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except with the same car you would get wear and all sorts of other things that would affect mileage more than the +/-0.1L per 100km variance you would experience between 2 brand new cars of the same model and make...tire wear and the amount of air in the actual tires themselves makes a HUGE difference to mileage...so too can rolling the windows down these sorts of tests are always all-things-considered-equal tests...like most things in physics

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