I'd be so jealous if this started to get off the ground... i'd almost have the trailer a car over, hehehe!

The thing with the rules, they need to be accessable (meaning cheap), within normal servicing of the car throughout its life (which includes a rebore), and enforcable.

There is no use having a rule that you can't enforce. So how easy is it to check the head hasn't got bigger valves in it? To check you have to rip the head off when you scrutineer.

Thought about running a standard cam? I know that alteast one Mini racing series in the UK run a standard cam. I know that would be one way of keeping the cost down, and the level equal. Infact, it would be my number one rule choice. I know it is hard to check that they have the right cam, but they do it in the UK. I'm sure a brilliant set of rules could be put together, just take a look at how successful Mini racing in the UK is.

Also, body mods. Things like roll cages can dramatically improve handling, so a control roll cage? Get enough of these control bits made up and it will be cheap.

The key with budget racing is keeping the machinery the same.

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Why not base it on a power to weight system totally?

Everyone is Dyno'd at the start of the season and those with higher power get more weight added so the whole field has the same power to weight ratio.

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I'm thinking about bringing the series back....
Rules are rules... if you want to compete, obey them.
Other cars can run(1100's) but just won't be eligble for points.
Basic layout... cheap racing where everyone can compete and be competative.
998 engine, drum brakes, falken tyres(no excuses).

Who is interested??? i don't want excuses, or people wanting to argue about the rules.
i want definate interested people.............

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a little birdy has told me that "The Ruiner" will not be taking part in the series as the aforementioned engine no longer exists.



although a 1:28 from a 998 sounds nice

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iam defently intrested would like to do some racing for no $$$

i could proberly pull my old 998 engine out the shed put that in

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No one said it will be no $$...
Motorsport still costs money... i'm just trying to keep it to a minimum

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all you need to do is have the engines and gearboxes inspected and a stamped seal placed on it to ensure compliance. Only the series inspecting mechanic can seal it and it needs to be in obvious place like gearbox/engine flange, rocker stud, and flywheel housing. Steve? you say you want to get it up and running, how about a nominal fee to do the inspection and sealing of the engine, if you work out how many things need inspecting based on rules, and how long it takes, you can work out the price. That way, anyone can build an engine, just the final engine/gearbox/head assembly has to be done with a seal. Hell if they want to come and do it in your workshop to save a couple of dollars why not.

the rest of the external stuff is easy to inspect at an event so is not a problem.

this is what the HQ guys do to police the series and keep it truly even.

when the old NSW series was running i considered it, but as a couple of engine developers got involved and pushed the reliability of the stock components by using fully freedoms allowed in things like heads, all of a sudden the rules were changed to allow cooper S rods etc. this made it seem like it was going to get real expensive real quick and i was turned off because like a lot of these guys i was a poor student. this is the danger that Smithy is talking about. its oh so easy to see it happening again.

don't mistake that this is a great idea, you just need to make everyone aware that if there is championship points up for grabs, then their engines must be sealed, and if that means some are not prepared to pay the sealing fee, then they get no points.

go for it guys

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At this stage it will be just a group of people who want to race together...
unpoliced unless they are considerably faster.

If the series takes off we will look at checking and sealing engines, but until then it's just a fun game. I probably won't be able to check engines as i am a competitor and it would be too easy for people to complain.

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No matter how tight you make the rules it only breeds a better class of cheat, HQs are a classic example of this even with sealed engines and a suspension set it was amazing how one car could be 3 inches lower than another even though they all had the same springs and shocks and how someone couls spend 25.000 on an engine even though they had control pistons,cams,and stuff. One way of stopping it is to have a rule where a competitor can challenge the other to swap engines and gearboxes with another if they want to lodge a fee, it soon stops someone spending big bucks on cheating if they can loose it for a couple of hundred, keeps the playing field level if you have a set of regs controlling all the allowable engine parts and mods

Jon

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This is all good... but.
we are getting away from the design i had. Having fun driving my mini around a track with other people with the same ideas.
Stop worrying about the cheaters and the potential issues and just get out there first.
If it takes off, only then am i going to worry about rule benders, cheaters etc. no one is discouraged from racing.
I am building my car to the rule book, and i hope others will follow.

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hey Cush, about your idea of adding weight to the more powerful cars, does that mean that after my car is dyno'd that I will have to completely strip out my interior and sit on a milk crate?

I think it's a great idea and should be raced in the spirit of having a ball with your mini and others that own them.

I will have a go and come last and not give a rats coz i will have had a great time doing it-until the second lap when my engine blows!

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i dont know how you would do it but someone should get in contact with the mini se7en racing club and inquire into there begginer category, they run 1000cc engines, but can run cooper s discs. the engine work is limited and the series is a huge success because it only costs a few thousand pounds a year to compete including all your car repairs etc. this sounds exactly what you are trying to do, which is a good idea, but things like the heads, you cant scrutineer things like that, so you will have to think a little bit what u can include and not include in your specs lists. but good luck with it, and im sure ittle be a fun series when you get it up and running

taken from the mini se7en racing club website

Mini 7
Engine: 1000cc
Tyres: Dunlop Racing Tyres
Brakes: Standard Cooper S System/Carbon Metallic Pads
Suspension: Single adjustable gas shock absorbers, adjustable ride height, rear anti-roll bar
0-60mph (100 km/h) between 4.5 and 5 seconds
Aprox. 95bhp at Flywheel

here are a couple of pics, as you can see, lots of minis = lots of good tight racing







if you want more info visit www.mini7.co.uk

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but that's not exactly cheap is it?

dunlop racing tyres and 95 flywheel hp...

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im saying base it on that series, obviously ur not going to have an exact copy of it, and dunlop formula r's are cheap and a pretty good tyre.

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The guys inthe UK are trying to get a series like Steves off the ground now, the costs of the 7ens and miglia series has gotten a bit to much so they are introducing a class within the 7s with strict controll on engine mods and the use of non genuine parts. I reckon Steve is on the right track a 998 with only certain bits allowed to be worked on like cams and exhausts a mostly factory bits or control bits no need for fancy gearboxes of diffs control tyres and suspension only allow steel panels and the interior to be removed and a roll cage and safety equipement and a way you go, probably build a car for 2-3000 and that is cheap motorsport and as everyone is the same its fun

Jon

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