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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:11 pm 
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Can anyone give me any information on the Mini Cooper ( not S ) like how many Australian Models were produced ? Any info would be greatly appreciated.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:53 pm 
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Like the UK, there were two models - 997cc and 998cc, but there is a bit of confusion on this as well.

Prior to the official release of the Cooper in Australia, BMC had assisted in the importation of "a number of cars" according to Sports Car World in Feb 1963. (see The Mini Experience Issue 3)

The Cooper was released in Australia, built up from CKD kits from the UK, in November 1962, in 997cc form. In 1963 (not sure which month, but probably November or December as the 1963 Bathurst was with 997cc) the engine was changed to 998cc, with cars still built as CKD from UK.

All Australian Coopers (not Ss) were sold as fully imported (prior to Nov 1962) or Australian-assembled CKD. All Australian-built Cooper Ss on the other hand were built in Australia (same body shell as Mini De Luxe - see The Mini Experience Issue 1) and not from CKD (however the drive pack - full front assembly including engine, gearbox, brakes, gearshift - was imported as a whole from the UK.)

Australian Coopers were painted in Australia, and were therefore in Australian paint shades, whereas imported Coopers arrived in UK colour schemes.

Prior to the launch of the Aussie Cooper S, BMC was again assisting racing drivers to import Cooper Ss in 1071cc guise.

When the Cooper S was launched here (see TME Issue 1) in mid-1965, production ceased on the Cooper. However, in the UK, the Cooper continued alongside the Cooper S for some time.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:11 pm 
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"Prior to the launch of the Aussie Cooper S, BMC was again assisting racing drivers to import Cooper Ss in 1071cc guise."

Wow, you learn something every day.. I didnt know ther were ANY 1071's here in Australia !

I thought they were a UK / Sudafrika thing only .... Cool....

So, Who's got one ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:54 am 
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Thanks guy's, I'm on the verge of purchasing one. Interesting reading and worthy of some research, they are really overshadowed by the S.


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 Post subject: 970 S
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Great post Watto and there was also the 970 S.

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 Post subject: Re: 970 S
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:38 am 
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Great post Watto and there was also the 970 S.

Which are the rarest of the lot. 1000 were supposed to be built in UK for homologation in 1000cc class, but production fell way short of that.
Doubt there are many here, I know of one owned by a well-known Mini mechanic. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:17 am 
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Any idea of the Cooper production numbers, Kev ?


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It's all in Parnell's book but I don't have it handy. :wink:
Pedr Davis' book doesn't seem to give numbers made here.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:41 am 
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What's the name of Parnell's book, Kev ? I'll see if I can buy a copy somewhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:06 am 
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Of course the 970 is a Cooper S, not a Cooper, but certainly a rare beast.

Ron Williams in Tenterfield has an immaculate 1071S and also built a 970S (one of the best restos I've ever seen) but sold that shortly after it was finished.

As far as I'm aware no 970Ss were imported at the time to race, and those that are here (not many to be sure) were private imports at a later date - ie: recently. But, of course, I could be wrong on this and would love to find one that was imported for racing in the '60s.

There are a few 1071Ss in the country, but as most (all?) were imported for racing, prior to the release of the 1275S here, they have had a hard life.

Keith Wright in Sydney has a 1071S that has been recently restored. Keith's standards are VERY high and, although I haven't seen this one in the flesh, I'm told it is a fantastic job and very accurate.

Back in August 2000 Mini Magazine (UK) I did a story on John Hoade in northern NSW who bought a 1071S from a dealership after the 1275 had been released (with the bigger engine available they couldn't sell the 1071 and did it for a very good price).

After running it for a couple of years he sold it off in pieces - body to one person, engine to another and the interior to a young guy doing up a Mini.

20 years later he bought back the original body and traced down the original engine and interior (it's a close knit family in Mini circles) and reunited the main parts to again form the original car!

Anyway, back to the Cooper, the 997cc is the rarest and most sought after. With 997cc engine parts being scarce, many have been changed over to 998cc. Peter Manton's first racing Mini was an 850 (which I believe was first raced at Tarrawingee near Wangaratta in 1961 - but again I could be wrong on this) but he soon switched to a 997cc Cooper, which really started off the whole Peter Manton/Mini phenomenon. That 997cc Cooper is still in Melbourne (owned by Keith Mackay) and we will be featuring it soon in The Mini Experience, with a tribute to Peter Manton.

Also, if you are buying a Cooper, be aware that many have been converted to Cooper S discs. The original Cooper has smaller disc brakes than the Cooper S and are not particularly good brakes - you do better with a good set of drums. So, check for the Cooper discs.

If you are looking at buying a Cooper, be careful about the engine. The build date is the most important to know which engine it should have - see previous post. You cannot tell this from the body number. The body number prefix for an Aussie Cooper is YKA 2S1 - for both engine sizes. According to the info I have, the body seriel numbers for both models began, as did all Aussie BMC models, at 501, but it is not explained if the 998 continued on from where the 997 finished (which would make sense if the prefix is the same) or if they went back to 501 (which would mean two cars with identical chassis numbers for a whole heap of cars - not much sense in that then).

The engine number prefix for 997cc Cooper is 9F/SA/L and for early 998cc Cooper is 9F/SA/H. However, the last 998cc Coopers (I don't know how many) were fitted with Australian-built 998cc engines, similar to the Mini De Luxe engine but built to Cooper specs, and has the engine number prefix of 9YSAH.

Now, a 998cc engine from a Mini De Luxe will have prefix of 9YA/Ta/H, so check that the Cooper hasn't just had a De Luxe motor fitted.

Engine prefix for 1275 Cooper S is 9F/SA/Y - so yes it does get a bit confusing.

If you know the build date and the colour (or at least the approx colour) you will be able to get an exact colour match for repainting, once you have the correct colour code. We can help a little here, as we will be doing a series of one-page articles over the next few issues on BMC/Leyland colour codes and colour charts in TME. Otherwise, you can email me the details of the car and I can (probably) give you the correct details.

As for numbers produced in Aus, I can?t help either, but if anyone knows it would be Stephen Dalton. I will PM you with his email address as soon as I find it.

Cheers, Watto.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:20 am 
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Just a footnote on John Hoade's 1071 , the body was sold to a local mini speedway racer (Lloyd Kahn) who was going to turn it into a speedway mini , fortunately he drove trucks and was short on spare time so it didn't get butchered . It was rebought still in reasonable condition . Could easily have been a lot worse , I bought the remains of 2 of his speedway mini's (a black 997 cooper and I can't rememeber the other one's ID details) and his wife's mk1 S that had been wrapped around a tree sideways . The mini's were beyond repair when I got them but a great source of parts .

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:27 am 
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All great info guys - keep it up!
It seems to me that most Coopers come in the 997 form. and that the 998 seems to be a rarer beastie. I have several 997's in the process of restoration and have collected many bits over the years.
Have only come across 1 998 Cooper engine and always the earlier style 7" disk brakes.
Maybe it would be good to start a survey to find all the original Coopers left?
By the way, there is an original 1071 Red with black roof in Victoria. Imported and still owned by the original owner - done FA miles (under 10K I seem to remember). Absolutely perfect!!!! Can be seen occasionally at historic hillclimbs driven by his son.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:54 pm 
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watto is this the one of ronnie williams your talking about?

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because it is damn sexy :lol:

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Just found this also

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equally as sexy :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:48 am 
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Does anyone know what month / year the mini Cooper went to wind up window's ?


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