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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:52 am 
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Edge wrote:
I put a multimeter on the wires at the sender end with ignition on and a strange thing happens.
Well, 'least I think it's strange ?? :?

Is it normal for the voltage to vary, changing about 3 times a second,
ranging anywhere from 2.2v to 11.9v and anywhere inbetween?


I thought it may have been petrol or something sloshing around affecting this,
perhaps with the varying voltage telling the guage what to show,
but it does it when I disconnect the wires from the sender and use a earth elsewhere on the body.

Any ideas :idea:

Sounds like the Voltage stabilizer on back of speedo has carked it.
These things are just a vibrator (ooooh, stop it.. :) ) and supply 10V to the fuel & temp gauges.
If it's shot, do what many of us do- PM `wombat' for an electronic one. 8)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:18 am 
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Electronic ones are very easy to build if you are handy with a soldering iron.

It takes about 3 components and will cost you about $3 from Dick Smith or Jaycar.

You want to ask for a LM7810 or LM7809 regualtor (10v and 9v versions respectively). In the TO-220 packaging.

Tell the guy at the counter what you are doing and he will know what to get.

You will also need a couple of capacitors.

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The 780x IC will look like this:
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Pinout is:
1. Unregulated voltage in
2. Ground
3. Regulated voltage out

Make up a little case for it or use the old one, and bobs your uncle...

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There are 2 terminals in the boot that go into the fuel tank sender unit. Just make sure they are still connected as I have done that before...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:18 am 
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Are the early minis (ie the one with the voltage reg hanging off the back of the speedo) the same voltage? I seem to think that they used 5 or 6 volts? Might be my dodgy memory playing up though....

I just rebuilt my fuel sender last night. I'm supposed to get a range of 19 to 245 ohms as the float goes from full to empty. I am only getting 19 to 200. I'll pulled it apart and re-wrapped it with 245 ohm length of resistive wire. I also cleaned it up while I was there.
Instead of a float, I found a large cork used instead. At least it won't sink.

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Zizzle wrote:
Electronic ones are very easy to build if you are handy with a soldering iron.

It takes about 3 components and will cost you about $3 from Dick Smith or Jaycar.

You want to ask for a LM7810 or LM7809 regualtor (10v and 9v versions respectively). In the TO-220 packaging.

Tell the guy at the counter what you are doing and he will know what to get.

You will also need a couple of capacitors.

Image

The 780x IC will look like this:
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Pinout is:
1. Unregulated voltage in
2. Ground
3. Regulated voltage out

Make up a little case for it or use the old one, and bobs your uncle...

Wombat's ones have no caps, they just have 3 flying leads with spade lugs.
No case needed. :wink:
They work fine, I'm running one in each car. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:46 pm 
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The 7805 puts out 5 volts - you need 10. From my searching no one in in Oz stocks the 10 volt regulator - I get mine from overseas. You can use an adjustable reg -as per my MK1 version which the Dr has the only one made :wink: the MK2 version uses the single 7810. Price is $15 posted

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:26 am 
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Geez you guy's are good!

I was set to build one 'till I read wombat's post.
Will contact "the peoples prince" later if all else fails.
$15 sounds reasonable, but we'll have to see what the Minister for Finance and Social Functions says - lol.

:P Cheers

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:39 am 
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Edge wrote:
Geez you guy's are good!

I was set to build one 'till I read wombat's post.
Will contact "the peoples prince" later if all else fails.
$15 sounds reasonable, but we'll have to see what the Minister for Finance and Social Functions says - lol.

:P Cheers


Just let her run out of fuel in the mini , she'll jump at the chance to fix it for $15 ....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:18 am 
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Edge wrote:
Geez you guy's are good!

I was set to build one 'till I read wombat's post.
Will contact "the peoples prince" later if all else fails.
$15 sounds reasonable, but we'll have to see what the Minister for Finance and Social Functions says - lol.

:P Cheers


Just let her run out of fuel in the mini , she'll jump at the chance to fix it for $15 ....


haha :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:46 pm 
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good to see people coming up with a solution to a CHRONIC mini problem, the ol' fuel gauge mystery


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:11 pm 
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Wombat wrote:
The 7805 puts out 5 volts - you need 10. From my searching no one in in Oz stocks the 10 volt regulator - I get mine from overseas. You can use an adjustable reg -as per my MK1 version which the Dr has the only one made :wink: the MK2 version uses the single 7810. Price is $15 posted
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Yeah, I couldn't find any in Australia so I got what I thought were the right ones from the US.
They're marked as UA7810C but they always overheat when I tried to use them so maybe I didn't get the correct type or I'm doing something wrong.Still have 1/2 dozen left.
In the end I brought a kit from Jaycar which seems to do the job ok so far.steady 9.9 volts.
It hasn't fixed up my problem of the fuel gauge not reading more than 3/4 when full.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:21 pm 
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that could be a faulty float


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:54 am 
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Anyone tried one of these?

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Looks suspiciously similar to the original, looks the same as the one on the back of my S speedo. not sure what the voltage out is.

http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx?pid=35969

Which models used the lower voltages?

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