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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:13 pm 
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at the moment i am restoring/ modifying a 64 deluxe. the body is not to bad there are a few patches of rust but thats not the problem the problem is the seams are..... how can i put this ..... there screwed they have rusted through completely in places but in other places there fine just surface rust what to do, what to do. i have been told to deseam it but i dont know does any one know of a way to fix those seams without removing( if it can be done)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:23 pm 
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This has been discussed on a number of occasions previously. The general concensus of opinion is dont deseam it weakens the structural design of the mini.

The repair of the rust is fairly straight forward but a fiddle and beyond a novice. Bascially the rear seat back is taken out, as is the parcel shelf. Then a strip of metal is welded over the seam on the inside. The body is then structurely sound. To repair the external rust is a matter of cut and shut as required with some grinding and body filling. It may also require metal to be folded and welded to repair the seam.

Obviously the parcel shelf and the rear seat platforms are welded back.

Its not a big job for a panel beater/ restorer as long as your not hot on the heals of a wet period or hail storm. Get a few quotes and A-grade panels in Melb advertises that they specialise in this sort of work. I have never seen the quality of that their work but their reputation seems good enough.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:29 pm 
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In my very humble opinion, you should repair them. Without seeing pics, it's hard to tell but it will probably have more resale value if the seams are fixed.

I would:
(a) cut back a section
(b) make up a plate of steel
(c) put a 90 degree bend in it
(d) offer it up from behind
(e) plug weld it in
(f) continue until all of the rusted out seam is replaced
(g) grind the resultant replacement seam to an even level above the surrounding panel.

However, unless it is a rare shell it may not be worth repairing. It's a bit contentious, but from a safety point of view I tend to regard very badly rusted shells as a liability. I've given up on my Clubman van as the shell require more work that I was prepared to do given the best possible result.

I used to love the deseamed look, but now prefer the standard seams. If you deseam, you have to do both sides, and probably the front and back (Never do the roof! It looks awful IMHO) - a lot of work if only part of the seams are rooted.

Compare all this work with finding another shell and rebuilding, and consider the overall result in each case. Many projects are begun (by me!) with good intentions, and end up in the junkyard.

<edit> Mike's post slightly prempted mine and along the same lines. I repaired the rust in the rear roof seam with my method and it was pretty good in the end. Also easy to skim coat and paint. I like Mike's welding in of a plate across the rear of the seam too - will incorporate this into my workflow in the future :D


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:36 pm 
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does anyone have pics of deseamed minis

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Try this one.
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic ... highlight=
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:22 pm 
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thanks for the link deluxe_68
come on people i want some more peoples opinions on wheter to deseam or not i know more of you have an opinion

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i love the deseamed look......

its changes the whole appearance of the car....

i like alot of the minis in the uk with the sides deseamed and the number plate and handle removed from the boot..

like this one

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or you have deseamed with the roof chopped....

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Hi my mini was deseamed when i bought it, i like the look of it here is a pic.

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another good demo of an aussies roundy deseamed

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Don't do it. I know it looks great but it is a liability when you come to sell the car. I'll never buy a de-seamed mini unless there is ample photographic evidence that it has been done right. If there is no backing strip and the panels are simply butt welded, I wouldn't touch it. You just can't tell if it is just about to all come un-zipped at the (umm) seams... Some de-seamed cars have been done so badly they are death traps.
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There are positives and negatives to just about all modifictions.

If you do it (i reckon it looks cool) do it the right way. Dont put yourself, those who will travel in the car, or other motorist in danger by doing a bodge job.

It can be done very well, just do your research then do it properly.

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thanx for your help i have made the decision to deseam the car

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Congratulations! :D You will be happy that you are doing what you really want to do. Just do it properly.
This will be an interesting project to follow.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:25 pm 
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thanx i will soon be posting pics and story in the members gallery after a little more work is done i just got to get some parts and some money scratch that lots of money

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While you de seaming it why not get rid of the gutters also?


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I like the look of it anyways...

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