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awdmoke wrote:
Sorry to dig up this old chestnut :oops:
but has anyone actually weighed their van or sedan?
(besides bnicho)

I would like to get an accurate kerb mass, and after searching & reading 16 pages of discussions & despite the figures from both Haynes & Leyland I believe Mad Matt when he says he has weighed them & vans are heavier than sedans.

Talking dry suspensions here people. Just doing my research :wink:


I vaguely remember weighing my K.... can't remember if it was before or after I put the dry suspension in, and I think it was 640kg... but it had a lot of lightening (rust) and weight (dirt and crap), so that's probably fairly useless to you ;) :P

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Travellers weigh 720kg (courtesy of the local firewood purveyers weighbridge) complete with half a tank of fuel, spare chip wrappers, a water bottle and whatever else was left in the door pockets.

Because Travs were not an Aus model they do not appear in the NSW rego manual so it had to be physically weighed....

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i actually done a run to the tip in my car and was 680kg and i way about 80

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640kg ties in fairly closely with 638kg listed by Haynes
680-80kg = 600kg :o nice & light
720kg for the Traveller is in line with my thinking that the van numbers should be higher than the book shows...

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hhhmmm i dont know.....a morris 850 would have to weigh less then a mini k.

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1071 wrote:
Travellers weigh 720kg (courtesy of the local firewood purveyers weighbridge)


There's your problem, the weighbridge weighs heavy! it has been tampered with so they can charge you more! Woods getting dearer you know!

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Now there is a good question

If the cooper S is the tubbiest of the saloons then body shells were used for the works cars at Bathurst 66.

I dont have a clear recollection - were the works cars noticably quicker than the other entrants.


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Mike_Byron wrote:
Now there is a good question

If the cooper S is the tubbiest of the saloons then body shells were used for the works cars at Bathurst 66.

I dont have a clear recollection - were the works cars noticably quicker than the other entrants.


Yeah they were but that is probably driver related. According to the 'mini experience' the winning cooper s had been balanced in every way possible to reduce rolling resistance, therefore the actual weight (actaully mass, i do physics so i know weight and mass and two different things! LOL) may not have made works minis faster, BTW bathurst minis had to be stock right? I'm not fully sure someone please tell me.

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what about the weight of mokes? oh, wont anyone think of the mokes?

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"BTW bathurst minis had to be stock right?"

I've heard rumors of "Acid dipping" the bare bodyshells to reduce a pound or two here and there ..... maybe just a rumor though....

i KNOW mr Petty of Nascar fame was known to do things like that .....

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what about the weight of mokes? oh, wont anyone think of the mokes?


whats a Moke :wink:


































just kidding :lol:

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BTW bathurst minis had to be stock right? I'm not fully sure someone please tell me.


George Sheppard prepared the minis and went onto to do much of the preparation for HDT with the LC LJ Toranas. Yeah they were stock - so stock that they probably had quite a few horses more than a car you and I could buy.

They were scrutineered after the race to check that no cheating had occurred.

Formula Ford used "stock" kent engines for their class of racing. The stock kent would give perhaps 60 plus horses but a good racing engine would cost about $5000, would produce about 100-120 horses and run at 8000 rpm all day. That was a class that strictly checked engnes for correct specifications.

Its all in the sourcing of the bits, the machining and the building of the engine.


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They were allowed to blueprint the engines which means tthey were allowed to make sure that the exact specs for the engine were made, it is a very expensive practice to really blueprint an engine making sure that the original supplied parts are as per the original design for the engine as per the design drawings and spec sheets supplied for homolagation.

Formula Ford used the specs for GT cortina 1600 crossflow engines which had a different cam, carb and head specs, the bottom end of the old ford motor was always a good one :D

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