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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:13 am 
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I see, your post get modded or deleted? Oh well I don't really care, my car didn't get failed for that so I'm happy.

Possibly I just got a good inspector, who failed me for not having a demister which is an ADR...My mini is pre-adr.... :? Meh, I'll pass the next visit as I've fixed/changed everything they asked. So not such a good inspector afterall.

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Hi well it seems that the adjustable bars and lower arms are ok as long as they are bought from a shop etc if you make your owm then they have to be engineered.
Rose joints however are illegal .

Anything above a 2 inch lift on standard vehicle height needs to be passed by an engineer also with lowering the lowest point of the vehicle must be 10.5 cm off the ground.

Basically what the vehicle came with when built should all be ok if replaced with present day equivelant, shop bought suspension gear should also be fine, excluding rose joints.
Just watch your ride height or lack of lol.

Hope this helps not much info but may do.

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Thats an area of confusion.
My inspector yesterday quoted me 90 mm at the lowest point.

My mini is lucky to be 75mm but he said as its only a toy and not my daily driver he didn't accurately measure it.


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I have checked again and 10cm is the lowest they should go,. the guy I am getting the info from worked with an engineer fitting up vehicles so he is pretty sure on his figures.

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I read through all the ADR's and there is none on height. So this law of 10cm, which I've heard before and was told be a mate's dad who is a policeman, is covered under a different set of rules?

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Single set of rules - YES
The battles between state and federal governments stop that as well as each state thinking they are different in some way to those in another state.

Its a good arguement to trash the state government system and NORMALISE many areas, roads and transport, health and certainly education.

Those in the military are well aware of the price paid by their kids in terms of education when they are moved all around Australia. I know the Federal Government has made some steps to normalise education but its little and too late.


Pharmacy circles fought for 15 years before a uniform Drugs and Poisons Schedule was adopted. Then Queensland legislated some "Exemptions" :evil:

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slinkey inc wrote:
I read through all the ADR's and there is none on height. So this law of 10cm, which I've heard before and was told be a mate's dad who is a policeman, is covered under a different set of rules?


No there isnt a rule on clearance......... but if you need to go over the pit at Regency, you need to drive over a 100mm block of concrete that has been built infront of the hole :wink:

Sneaky yes, but if you dont make it over that concrete, they will say its too low.

Some of the inspectors at Regency KNOW minis..... and WILL pick on hi-lo's for not having an ADR stamp on them.

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When I got a RWC for my car before it was put back on the road we pumped it up as high as it would go (looked really bad - it was previously running about 50mm) got the road worthy and then a few days later let the suspension down to a more "reasonable" height.

I always thought a 100mm was the minimum? I can't remember where I heard this from though. Some people are really strict and will argue that 100mm isn't 4" - depends on who you get.

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What do you do for a living - I am a hospital scientist majoring in microbiology and heamatology by training but its been over thirty years since I worked in that area.

Just wondering with the above and other "hospital days" comments.


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Keeping this post on track :wink: I will ask the blueslip guys this weekend when I get my engine number changed.

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Mike_Byron wrote:
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Pharmacy circles fought for 15 years before a uniform Drugs

David
What do you do for a living - I am a hospital scientist majoring in microbiology and heamatology by training but its been over thirty years since I worked in that area.

Just wondering with the above and other "hospital days" comments.


Pharmacist - have worked all areas including a stint as a Drugs and Poisons Inspector for the Victorian Health Department. Owned 2 pharmacies at one stage last one in Torquay and now work as a contractor as "a Pharmacy Advisor" to the Department of Veterans Affairs approving Authority Prescriptions for Doctors in a National Call Centre in Brisbane. My daughter is a Medical Scientist working with Eastern Health working out of Box Hill Hospital. She wrote all their quality care procedures and was responsible for getting the Pathology web site up and operational for their outside services.

Now back to topic :wink:

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From the NCOP http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/safety/road/bulletin/pdf/NCOP11_Section_LS_Suspension_and_steering_3Feb2006.pdf (cut & paste the URL)

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CLEARANCE
No part of the wheel must tough any part of the body or suspension under all operating conditions. To check this, the vehicle must be fully laden & capable of negotiating raised obstacles that would normally be encountered whilst driving such as speed humps and driveway entries. This test should be conducted at full lock without any part of the rim or tyre contacting the mudguard or suspension.


ADR 43 details ground clearances, but the above is the reason why 100mm has been settled on as the minimum clearance. This overrides the allowable 1/3 drop in suspension height mentioned elsewhere in the NCOP.

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Superchargerd 850, I got an inspector (two inspectors per car) who races a Cooper S at mallala, or so he says. He told me to go get adjustable front stuff from minisport as I didn't ahve 'fat' enough camber... :lol: Unfortunately he was only assisting the other guy, who was doing the actaul inspection, but yes you are right he did know Mini's. But he was fine with Hi-Los as he said they looked quality made. My car didn't go over a pit but did go onto the brake test machine without any dramas so I guess that's how they passed me for height.

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Interesting topic, its different everywhere. I have a friend who had to put their 850 through the motor registry here in Canberra for an ID check and got failed for ride height, so it got fitted with hi-los and taken back and it passed. So hi-los are obviously fine here then.

I thought the general consensus on adjustable tie-bars etc were that if they were painted black and looked 'original' they are fine, but if they are real shiny-like then you get failed ?


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Anto wrote:
Interesting topic, its different everywhere. I have a friend who had to put their 850 through the motor registry here in Canberra for an ID check and got failed for ride height, so it got fitted with hi-los and taken back and it passed. So hi-los are obviously fine here then.


I think thre is a big difference between what is legally allowed and what an inspector passes.

if you say "I have this non-standard part, is it legal?" & they say yes, then it is legal. If they just don't notice it is non-standard fitment then that doesn't mean it is allowable.

Not picking on Anto, just used it a a good example. :wink:

remember, if in an accident, the insurance inspectors will look for things that made your vehicle 'unroadworthy' such as an 'unapproved' modification. then your insurance is null and void. Doesn't matter if the inspector 'didn't notice' a non standard part and gave a roadworthy or equivalent. doesn't matter if that component had no bearing on the cause of the accident. no insurance, new merc written off, you-life-over. :(

not being melodramatic, it has happened more than once.

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