Actually even Supercheap's BOSCH leads are $15 each, so a whole set including dissy to coil will cost you about $60. So for 40 it's a bargain I reckon...

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Lillee - 1969 Morris Mini K

Lillee, you're now suggesting (actually stating) that leads will gain HP? A good set, over a bad set, sure. But a better set over a good set, methinks not.

Well I have just picked up my leads from GR. His take on why buy them is this.
They are no better or worse than good quailty leads, if you have good leads then they will give you no performance gain as you already have that gain.
BUT, and I agree with him here. These leads are mini specific in length, They are right angle plugs and are exactly the right length. So, that is a good thing.

I have Black ones as my engine bay is essentially black. But the red ones do look good.


The Price is good, as Chonly said, $15 a pop for good quality bosch leads compared to $40 a set with correct length and right able plugs.... well I am already an owner so I reckon you know my thoughts on it.

Cheers
Aaron

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Hey not bowing in on any personal issues here in the thread, but just to throw in 6 cents.


Spark plug leads are another marketing hype that people are only to happy to lap up. They are nice leads, they are nicely matched to the engine, and as for the price, they are reasonable for those factors alone. GR is a great engineer, and his advice is excellent. The leads will improve the looks under the bonnet, and hopefully provide a lot of miles of good use. So all up I think they are nice for the price really.

Just be aware, before anybody starts to make unsubstatiated claims, that there is no such thing as a special spark that can only be provided by a special lead. There are no magical jibbers attached to any silicone or carbon coated cotton string that will create any horsepower, improve your economy or make your car accelerate faster.
The finest lead you can buy in the world would be a piece of copper wire one foot long. The reason we don't do this is because no-one could listen to the radio, and you would enjoy a spectacular light show where ever the wire approaches the engine block by less than an inch.

The silicone is there to provide the insulation, and the internal coiling is there to provide radio suppression. If the silicone needs to be thicker, it is because the manufacturer wants his lead to last longer, or the insulation is of a poor quality and needs to be beefed up to provide enough resistance to the 10 Kv charge. That is the long and short of it, and anything else is mostly black magic.
Construction of the leads is there to support the lifespan of the lead, and not for anything else. If the leads look nicely constructed, you will be rewarded with many years of happy motoring.

Companies like Crane and Top Gun have been milking a lot of dollars from punters over the years claiming to unleash horsepower through the use of their leads, and I have taken one Subaru mechanic to task for trying to convince me of the need for 4 leads @240 dollars the set. Apparently Subaru used a special sparking process he told me....
Same goes for Platinum plugs and splitfires, they provide many thousands of miles of happy sparking, nothing else. Spark only wishes to jump a gap, it doesn't care how it does it, and it won't split in two directions to do so, at least not without a lot of charge, and not within the scope of the paltry 10 Kv we are looking at here. Spark support it's own conduction through ionising the air about itself. So once started it creates it's own conductor through the air gap it crosses.

Me, I've been happy with the 5 dollar per lead bosch type hanging on the wall at Supercrap for years, and it's been a long time since I had a spark lead give me grief.

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SooperDooperMiniCooperExpertEngineering

All garage work involves equal measures of enthusiasm, ingenuity and a fair degree of irresponsibility.

*thumbs up*

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Yes well said.

FYI BOSCH leads at supercheap are no longer $5 each, they are $15 each as we have said many times on this thread. Inflation. So a set will set you back $60 including coil to dissy lead.

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Lillee - 1969 Morris Mini K

Damn that inflation! I'll need a set soon too!

GR's leads doooo look the go though.

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SooperDooperMiniCooperExpertEngineering

All garage work involves equal measures of enthusiasm, ingenuity and a fair degree of irresponsibility.

I need new leads for my mini - once I get it on the road and running fine, I'm going the pulsar dizzy. Would these leads fit both applications? Not sure if length changes much, or if the connection / angle to the dizzy cap varies.

Yeah, but do they have GR's own personal signature running down the length of the lead?

How can I prove to my friends that they are genuine GR leads?

Can I get them in chrome? With bule LEDs at the ends? And VTEC stickers? (I'm running out rice cliches here...)

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Yes, but you need to visit personally and ask... and tell him what you really think at the same time...



Oh, they will know, you dont have to say anything... just show them.



You just can't win with some people ... are you implying that these are ricer add on parts like neons?
You know what, ill put up a new post with something that people can choose to buy for their pride and joy and you morons will just put up stupid comments.
I FINALLY understand why the 'For Sale' has been locked down... cause of idiots on this Forum who have nothing intelligent to say but cant keep their mouths shut.

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I wouldn't worry about it pristic, judging by the number of these things that Graham will sell most people appreciate the heads up.

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Ditto

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"Show me the Mini!"

just to further re-iterate what Aaron said, GR DOES NOT believe that these leads will give you any real performance gain over good leads.

They have been made to the proper lenghts so that they go in your engine bay nice and neat, and have that little clip gizmo that holds them nice and neat also.

They are a good quality lead, but as Mick said they are all pretty much the same, please dont think that Graham is making false claims about these leads providing HP gains. its basically a case of fitting properly and looking grouse, for a very very good price.

cheers
chris

Chong's price is wrong, the Bosch ones are near $5 each, not $15.
I've bought a few sets of them now.
BTW I did pick up a set of Graham's RED ones today for a Canberran ausminier, yes they look very nice and neat.

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Yeah, agreed Chris... Im not sure where that perception came from... but thanks for re-iterating mate.

Peter.

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