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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:19 pm 
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power doesnt = quick, see my sig. same car, same driver same strip, admitidly i need more practice with the higher power Laughing

yoru very limited with FWD, i'd put money on my mini running jsut 1 bar of boost (196hp) pull away form a 13 second skyline from a 60mph rolling start, especially a GTR, but not from a standing start Laughing to get into the low 13's or less you neeed to make alot of compromises on a road car which wil very adversley affect driveability and comfort. High 13's is perfectly achievable, low 13's is a mission for a road car, beond that would take a good few years of development and refinement, especially if you want to keep road manners!


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 Post subject: Re: Performance
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:32 pm 
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drmini in aust wrote:
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i took almost half a second off my time removing a sub and box.


Correct me if I'm wrong here, I thought a Mini was designedt to be driven, not as a life
support system for a sterio.

Blue

Haha...
When you read Hot Fours etc specs they pay more attention to Da DoofDoof than the motivation. And, NEVER any performance times... :lol:


they have performance figures...

but it's measured in kW RMS ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Performance times
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0-100, 0-160, 400m, 1000m, top speed.


4EFTE powered mini I reckon:

0-100 = 4-5 seconds should be OK
400m = 12-13-14 depend on power output and suspension set up. Bear in mind that minis thrive in corners....
1000m - That's a pretty damn long, straight bit of road.


5 seconds would be great and 12 second 1/4 would also be fun especially when considering what a mini is capable in the twisty stuff.
Yeh 1000m ha ha I thought I would through that one in!

I suppose what I am fishing for is, when doing a good quality conversion with no short cuts and then paint and panel, wheels & tyres, suspension & brakes, I am probably not going to have alot of change out of $20K and if I have $20k to spend i have to toss up what else I could buy. I think it opens up a whole pandoras box worth of options. $20k can buy some very fast cars, probably none of which will be as much fun though!

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To do it properly and get the better of those times listed with good paint, etc you will go over 20k

How much can you do yourself?

If not much then it adds up very quickly when you have to do paint, brakes, suspension etc etc and you did say to a GOOD QUALITY standard..

If you leave it stock then you should come in under 20

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Mini Mad wrote:
To do it properly and get the better of those times listed with good paint, etc you will go over 20k

How much can you do yourself?

If not much then it adds up very quickly when you have to do paint, brakes, suspension etc etc and you did say to a GOOD QUALITY standard..

If you leave it stock then you should come in under 20


Josh, absolutely right. My build for El Gato came bang on $12k, and this would have got it on the road. This of course inluded some big ticket items like the halfcut itself - $1700, the tyre/wheel package - $1620 and the Zeemax kit which was over $1400. It also included costs for 'go faster' gear like the TD04L etc which wasnt necessarily needed.

Paint and panel for 'The Cat' came in at $8k, but thankfully I offset this with the spray painter by doing $8k worth of electrical work at his premises. So, I guess what I am saying is around the $20k mark is about right for the whole shebang!

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from 16vminiclub wrote:
power doesnt = quick
This is his sig:
14.56@97 in full road trim with 115hp
15.22@98 in full road trim with 196hp

I would love to know what sort of weight he was coming in at when he got those times?? Ive heard usually the starlet minis and vtec minis are quite heavy. Some getting close to the 800kg mark in street trim.

Oh yeah the comments about stereo. I have a single 12" sub in the smallest decent box I can get. One amp and two speakers. Wanted some stereo, not show quality audio.

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Not sure about him, but mine in street trim only weighs 700kg flat. We'll see in August what it can do when i go to the drags ;)

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I have put a set of D01J Dunlops on the front (very sticky and have been told they are illegal race tyres, some say not) but these things stick like sh-- to a blanket, instantaneously cured both spinning the wheels and torque steer. The only trouble is they last about 2000k! But I will be interested to see how they go at the drags, mine puts out between 170 and 185 and would hope that on the top hp would get well into the 13's. The other issue I think that limits Starlets in general is the very tall diff. On the twisty stuff I find myself changing gears every five seconds and to a certain extent the power level now negates this if I had a longer diff...

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minstar wrote:
I have put a set of D01J Dunlops on the front (very sticky and have been told they are illegal race tyres, some say not) but these things stick like sh-- to a blanket, instantaneously cured both spinning the wheels and torque steer. The only trouble is they last about 2000k! But I will be interested to see how they go at the drags, mine puts out between 170 and 185 and would hope that on the top hp would get well into the 13's. The other issue I think that limits Starlets in general is the very tall diff. On the twisty stuff I find myself changing gears every five seconds and to a certain extent the power level now negates this if I had a longer diff...

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Im guessing you are running a 12 inch rim then. I have 13 inch and the only tyre I can find is a yoko A048R. Semi slick. Its road legal but as you say will probly only last around 5000km. not justified for the money spent.
I would say you should get very low down into the 13's. Brad i believe did his 13.8 with 140hp. 40 extra HP should be enough. I believe Con's GTI turbo mini did a 12.74 with around 200 to 205 hp.
I would like to eventually crack a 14 with N/A. but once i get a chance i'll be happy with a 15.

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Con never did prove that 12.74 - No one has seen the time slip...

40HP wouldn't do too much - there comes a point where traction just isn't there no matter how much more power you put it it isn't proportionate to the times.

I'm running A048R's so we'll see how they go. Brad's 13.8 was a VERY good run - with the rest of the times averaging mid 14 roughly.

Matt - with 180HP and DJ01's i think you will be capable of low 13's though - but i reckon alot of that gain will be tire.

I'm looking into 13" Continental Tires in a 175/50R13 - around the same price as A048R's but should last 2-3times longer :) - Need to import them..group buy anyone?

This year will see a few starlet/hybrid minis on the track so we'll get a good indication for the first time of the figures to expect. 8)

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Would increasing the rim size to beyond 13" ( say 14 or 15) improve traction? The contact patch would be bigger :?:


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Anyone have figures of what an 850 would weigh without any trim and just 1 seat.

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Con never did prove that 12.74 - No one has seen the time slip...

40HP wouldn't do too much - there comes a point where traction just isn't there no matter how much more power you put it it isn't proportionate to the times.

I'm running A048R's so we'll see how they go. Brad's 13.8 was a VERY good run - with the rest of the times averaging mid 14 roughly.

Matt - with 180HP and DJ01's i think you will be capable of low 13's though - but i reckon alot of that gain will be tire.

I'm looking into 13" Continental Tires in a 175/50R13 - around the same price as A048R's but should last 2-3times longer :) - Need to import them..group buy anyone?

This year will see a few starlet/hybrid minis on the track so we'll get a good indication for the first time of the figures to expect. 8)


Josh,

Stuckeys can get you the Dunlop SP9000 in 195/45R13 - a very good tyre!

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195 is too wide for my 13x6's though i think?

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195 is too wide for my 13x6's though i think?


Yeah true, but the option to run 13x7's is always there (or 13x8)!!

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