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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:16 pm 
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WOW!! i think i've started something... :P

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have a read of graham russell's mini project in the mini experience.

thanks chris.. read it, read it again and then i went and found it last night so i could read it again! :P :D


Spaceboy wrote:
put some boost on it, to get that power N/A will make it a dog to drive

i like dogs... :P


Maxi23 wrote:
Drum brakes with that power would be pretty crappy.

Drum brakes are crappy! I hated them from my last mini... :cry:


smac wrote:
I'm really not sure I see what the big deal is here, what am I missing?

GR got 89 at the crank at 5500rpm from a worked over 998. Keith Calver got an average of 7.5 (10 in some places) bhp more out of a 1098 than a 998 (at the wheels) with the same mods.

So why is 60-70 at the wheels from a 1098 that unthinkable? Great little engine, perfect for khana/autocross. I say go for it. "Because I can" is always a good enough reason

that is what got me thinking its possible... :)
someone who thinks like i do! :D :wink: 'because i can' is always a great reason :wink:


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Hey , aim at 70 hp at the wheels , even if you fall a bit short of it you'll still have a brilliant little motor and a lot of satisfaction in that you've sorted/planned it out yourself.

thanks sports, i'm aiming for 60-70 hp atw, far out if i get 60 at the wheels i'll be stoked! anything more will be a bonus... to the garage!! :P


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I'm building my 1100 motor - from bottom up 3.44 diff, balanced crank rods and pistons , lightened and balance flywheel, over bored 0.100" flat top pistons, double row timing chain, RE13 cam, 295 head- modded slightly, twin HS2 carbies, electronic modded dizzy and and I've had two Mini builders ( Paul G and GR) tell me I'll get 80-85 out of it. - fingers crossed

good luck mate, but i think 'you should just turbo it' :P hehe (not trying to take it out of anyone :) ) sounds like you've got it sorted. i went the weber route just because i've always wanted one (they're s'posed to sound like nothing else! :D ) good luck to us both! :)


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Please understand the difference between flywheel HP,,, & HP at the road wheels.

thanks mate, i was trying to figure out a rough figure that i would expect from a dyno taking in account drivetrain loss. i know that in the real world it's very different, but we've got to measure hp somehow! :D


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All I know is that I love how much power my NA 1132 has... how much HP doesnt really mean anything to anyone except ON dyno's...


well said!!! i'm glad there's more people that think the same :) hp is just a number that ricers chuck around to brag about how quick their fully sik car is.. :P to me its the torque figure and the shape of that line that matters to me...

Ok i'll write some more when I've had something to eat! :D
Feel free to keep talking.. :P


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Power and torque are 100% directly related.

In fact power is a function of torque. To calculate how much power your car has, it use the torque and rpm.

Anyways, go for it, have some fun.

To me a power figure isn't that important, I know I can get more than 75hp atws, and do have more, but I don't want to spend my money to go back on a dyno at the moment.

Power figures are most important to people getting their engines professionally built I 'd say. I'd be pissed off I paid for a '100 hp' motor but only got a 70hp or whatever.... But that doesn't apply to me.

I'd like to say though, go boosted. Plan for it right now. And just do it. People can say what they want, but once you've driven a boosted mini, there's no going back, it's just so good.

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68mm 8)

i should be getting my 1100 bolted together soon

1100 block, offset bored to 68mm(arround =0.160')
Decked so the imp pistons are flush
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centre main strap
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ill be interested to see what she makes!

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Most of your power is gained above the piston.

So with alot of head work you should be able to crack it in my opinion.

Best of luck

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Yep i understand ya slinkey, I wasnt saying hp isnt important, I just meant that its thrown around as more of a bragging thing thesedays. you can have a 70 hp motor with 20 lb/ft and a 70 hp motor with 140 lb/ft... which is faster? (a mega exageration!)

Oooh nice work jbeenz, I'm using a modified 940 head as well just with 0.060 pistons. I'm building the bottom end up mega strong to handle a LOT of boost.

I dont know whether I mentioned that.. at the moment I'm keeping it nat at as I'm doing a full restoration and other things need a lot of money spent on them as well. It's my run in build you could say :wink: When I decide to whack the boost on, it'll be ready.. (I have the C/R issue sorted too so dont worry! :) )

I'm setting myself a figure to work towards, albeit a bit much, but its still a goal! :D


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We are trying to brake the 50 Atw's on the one dyno with 1098's +40 & 60'S But while Josh and I have had some work done our motor's we have not sat down and said this is our goal. Both engiones have been running for some time and I could easly say with confideance we could easly get 55 with out much trouble with a bit of effort and $$
60 or 70 @ the Wheels i'd say it can be done..but it looks like you are determand and want it. Go for it, Be positive and you will get what you want
You have to love a 998/1098
Please also do some Motorkaran's as you will have to learn how to drive it all over again :lol:

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Smac,
Crank and flywheel HP are exactly the same thing. GR bolts a driveshaft to the flywheel, it connects directly to the engine dyno. :wink:

I'm building my 1132cc Moke donk to have about 55 at the wheels.... 8)

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I'm sure its possible, but are u really going to be able to do it with a 'boost friendly' compression ratio :?:

Mine without boost makes ~40hp atw...

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sox61 wrote:
I'm sure its possible, but are u really going to be able to do it with a 'boost friendly' compression ratio :?:

Mine without boost makes ~40hp atw...


I've got that sorted :wink:

70 would be nice as it doesnt seem to be the road most travelled with an 1100, but it's not the be all end all. After I've got the rest of the car up to scratch I'll whack the boosterizer on and see what it can really do! Then I'll be looking for 140HP :P :roll: haha aim big who knows...


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I am going for broke too. I have a 1098 +60 thou, 1 3/4 su, 12g202 with 1100s valves, guide bosses cut down, bullet nose guides, double valve springs, valves deshrouded, offset rocker bushes, rods lightened, balanced, polished, flywheel and back plate lightened/balanced, cam and exhaust are up in the air at the moment. This is my plan at this stage. This is just for fun. IF it handgrenades I dont care as long as the head survives.

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Looks like we're going to have a few nasty 1100's getting around very soon... :twisted:


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I would've prefered to have used a well modified small bore head but when I took mine off it was completely shagged... :( But i did score a well modified 12G940 from my uncles race car for 'really cheap' so It's not all bad :D I think I'll look around for a 295 for the FI setup though...


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My 1132 Moke was getting a Dellorto 40DHLA carb and 33 chokes.
I've now changed my mind- it's gonna try a 45DHLA with 36 chokes. :P
Why? because I have one.
Head is a ported and decked 1275LS on the notched block.
Nasty Moke..... 8)

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Hey doc do you reckon 60-70 hp is feasible with a 42mm DCOE?


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spraycanmansam wrote:
Looks like we're going to have a few nasty 1100's getting around very soon... :twisted:


Careful, you could have just offended Jim, Josh and me... top three N/A 1100s ;)

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