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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:40 am 
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that's why i stopped getting miniworld and kept getting minimag

in mini mag, you're more likely to find classically restored originals and coopers with the odd wild one thrown in...

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minimag also stays in one peice!

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jbeenz wrote:
minimag also stays in one peice!



haha... i was just about to edit my post to say that too! :lol:

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slinkey inc wrote:
Unfortunately, for Miniworld it seems that they do. I stopped buying them for this reason, or more specifically, bike engined minis.

It was cool for the first one I saw in the magazine. A Z cars one, then another 20, come one, after the first few when they are the same but painted a differet colour it's no longer worth a read.

The best cover car I've seen on them was the blue 8port Clubman, which was for sale. WHy would you spend all that, go that far and sell it? I'll never know, but it was an awesome car, and a good read.

Althought all my old miniworld's are missing their front and back covers and mostly fallen appart so I can't really tell.

Oh yeah and the 1380 Rover, with 13x7 wheels, sports pack archs, painted tahiti blue. They have an obsession with '1380' over there, :? .


Haha ok I agree with you on the bike engines... thats getting really old, really fast. I hated last months issue with the red Kwaka mini. Altho the Aussie van with whitewalls was dif...

I only buy miniworld incase theres a good tech article or something new out to buy for my mini, coz as you say, It seems to be same ol same ol... some bodykitted stock 998, a 1380 mayfair with 13's, or a K series/bike conversion. Seem em once, seen em all. :P

All my mags are fallen to bits too... :? I thought it was coz I was reading them too much.. :P


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I'm over Bike Conversions too. And I hate seeing cars in there which are nothing but a 998-powered sound system. But... At the end of the day, why do we buy these magazines..? Let's get this straight, I buy them, I'm not having a go at their existence, I reckon they're a good thing. But why do we buy them? Probably to give us ideas an inspiration for our own Minis. I figure they put in all the conversions, etc, because people don't want to see a stock Mayfair, 850, Cooper S, and Rover Cooper every issue. "Oh look, here's a different tweed pattern on the seat, this indicates this is a special model, which had this pattern and two decals..." :P :lol: Out here, it would be similar for Watto - if he just covered the standard cars, even in concourse condition, people would lose interest.
Yes there are hundreds and thousands of combinations of how you can build an A Series engine, from different carbs to cams to internals, but, at the end of the day, if it's a whole car in the magazine, all the photos can really show is the engine bay, and, between clean and dirty, after a while, all but the most die hard fans are going to get tired of it. An A Series sits in a Mini in basically one way! And unless there's something unusual bolted off it (like the SC12 conversion) or some other distinguishing feature (say a KAD/Arden etc head), many people will lose interest. Looking through the spec list, especially for the engine build, can be boring for many people. Many, if not most people don't have an exact appreciation for what it all means - and I reckon I'd be in that batch too. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between two different piston brands (same overbore, etc) sitting in the car. And it wouldn't make much difference to me unless I found mine were slower or would die sooner! And things like brakes? How exciting is it to see yet another Mini with rear drums..? :lol: I'm not meaning to be silly, I'm just pointing out that you could argue "seen one, seen 'em all." :)
I think any Mini fan can appreciate a concourse original car - they are works of art. But they're not practical for the average person - most people aren't happy with a '60's AM radio or no tunes at all. Witness all the subwoofer questions in the Car Audio section here. Similarly, many people don't want to leave their 850, Deluxe or K with a stock engine and drums (although the level of modification varies from person to person). They want their cars to be practical. So these magazines need to maintain our interest by showing what's possible - even if many don't find it tasteful. Just because someone does something we don't like, doesn't mean we need to do it. But there might be something in their work that we do like, so we can take inspiration from it or copy it for ourselves. :wink:
I think, when the MINI made it to 500,000 cars produced, they said that, given all the different options available, the odds of two cars being exactly identical were something like 1:250,000... Classic Minis were often about personalization and identity too... :) Otherwise there wouldn't be cars with Union Jacks, Checkers, stripes, Welsh Dragons, white/black roofs etc out there. :)
Lastly, you guys have forgotten to mention the Vauxhall engine conversions that used to be common in there, too... I have often wondered why we didn't do them out here, given the engines were produced in Melbourne... Guess it just mustn't have been the best (i.e. simplest, cheapest, best bang-for-your-buck) conversion option available here. :?


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spraycanmansam wrote:
or a K Series/bike conversion...

I didnt forget! :P :wink:

Thats the only reason I buy them now.. in case I see something I like on another mini and can incorporate it into my own car :D

Haha first thing I do when I'm reading the articles is look at the engine bay and spec list to see if theres anything interesting then move on!


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K-series is a Rover engine, not the Vauxhall. :wink: K-series was in Australia in the MGF and Land Rover FreeLander. Well regarded in the UK, not here. The Vauxhall engine they use over there is the same one that started over here in the Camira, then went into Daewoos, and came back in Astras and Vauxhalls.


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Tadhg wrote:
K-series is a Rover engine, not the Vauxhall. :wink: K-series was in Australia in the MGF and Land Rover FreeLander. Well regarded in the UK, not here. The Vauxhall engine they use over there is the same one that started over here in the Camira, then went into Daewoos, and came back in Astras and Vauxhalls.


I stand corrected! :wink: I think I saw an ad where they advertised both conversions for sale, drive in/drive out, mighta confused me :P :roll:

Anything that went in a Daewoo will not be going anywhere near my mini! :P haha jks


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Don't write the old Holden four off - if you look at the 16v Mini forum ( http://www.16vminiclub.com/ ), there are people who love them over there... There's a write up on the differences between a VTEC and a Vauxhall over there, on the front page. The VTEC is compared to 007, the Vauxhall to Rambo. In fact, I vaguely I remember reading about a 400bhp ( :shock: :shock: :shock: ) Vauxhall Mini over in the UK... I should go back and have a look at that 16v forum again to check. :?
The engine was the best thing about the Daewoo Espero! :lol:
Now, to wait until next week so the local newsagent has a copy of MiniWorld with the SC12'd Mini... :x :(


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i saw a great article where a company had Longitudinally fitted the Vorxhawl engine and the car was also rear wheel drive...

if i remember, the trans tunnel wasn't as intrusive as you would expect....

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i was pissed oneday when there was this crap mini

pant was okay, and cushys engine bay was better

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Tadhg wrote:
Don't write the old Holden four off - if you look at the 16v Mini forum ( http://www.16vminiclub.com/ ), there are people who love them over there... There's a write up on the differences between a VTEC and a Vauxhall over there, on the front page. The VTEC is compared to 007, the Vauxhall to Rambo. In fact, I vaguely I remember reading about a 400bhp ( :shock: :shock: :shock: ) Vauxhall Mini over in the UK... I should go back and have a look at that 16v forum again to check. :?
The engine was the best thing about the Daewoo Espero! :lol:
Now, to wait until next week so the local newsagent has a copy of MiniWorld with the SC12'd Mini... :x :(


Haha wasnt writing it off, just having a crack at Daewoo again :P :wink:


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Yeah, I probably should've worded it better - the reviews at the time compared the Daewoo Espero to an overpowered shopping trolley, stating that it felt like all four wheels were travelling in different directions! Thus, the engine was far and away the best part of the Espero! :lol:
The sad part is they're now badged Chevrolet in the UK, and Holden in Australia... :( :x :roll:


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cush wrote:
i saw a great article where a company had Longitudinally fitted the Vorxhawl engine and the car was also rear wheel drive...

if i remember, the trans tunnel wasn't as intrusive as you would expect....


Was a silver, white and red square-front if I remember right....

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i'm not sure on the colour, but it was a company that does jobs for rally cars etc..

i was and am still very impressed with it..

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