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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:40 am 
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the real issue is wanting about 100hp at the fly from a motor designed to give 50hp


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Spaceboy wrote:
the real issue is wanting about 100hp at the fly from a motor designed to give 50hp


See with me, I dont see an issue! 8) :D :roll:

Just a figure that keeps taunting me... :P


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the real issue is wanting about 100hp at the fly from a motor designed to give 50hp


i disagree with that i think that if you can make a 998 crack the 100 mark, then a 1098 should be able to also. As i have said the crank is the weakest point, but if u can a good one and drive the car correctly then it should be fine.


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Doubling the power of any standard engine is possible (unless it'a already an all out race engine) but probably not an easy task, not to mention reliability.

I don't think of mini engines in terms of bragging but driving. You can get 50hp atws from a 988, 1100 or a 1275 (not sure about 850s no proof that I've seen yet). 1275 being thrown together, 1100 being worked nicely, 998 being heavily worked.

For the 1100 to beat the 1275 is bragging rights. I had a 998 equal my 1275s performance at the last dyno day that attended. I was very impressed by the 998, but it's a race engine my 1275 was put together with random twin carbies (now known to be 998 cooper manifold, 997 cooper carbies) and extractors that came with the car.

My engine would have produced approx 70hp at the fly. Should make 76-78, but due to my lack of knowledge and lack of tuning skills only made 70hp at the fly.

However a highly worked, race prepared 998 made 50hp atws (now doing 58hp atws, I last heard after rebuild). Which to me says heavily working a 988 or 1100 is for class puproses, you'll be more competative, but since I don't care about class I went down 1275 route then supercharger (was aiming for 80hp atws but fell short a bit, when I have more money and time I'll go back and look for the remaining hp, buyt doesn't bother me at the moment), which means there really no class for it anymore, but under 2 litre probably, which it is totally useless in. But my car is a road car, not a race car, and next year might be an occasional uncompetative track car.

What I'm getting at is that you should aim for what you want, for the correct reason. Do you want to race the car? If so, to race against who? Other mini's? If other mini's the 1100 is probably the way to go, but expect big money investments and definitely disc brakes for safety! Or do you just want a nice warm road motor with approx 70hp atws? If that's the truth then I'd recommend a warm 1275 properly set up and tuned (also with discs of course). If you want to beat big motors, for bragging rights then go the 1100. It's up to you.

Ok, I'm done... :P

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slinkey inc wrote:
What I'm getting at is that you should aim for what you want, for the correct reason. Do you want to race the car? If so, to race against who? Other mini's? If other mini's the 1100 is probably the way to go, but expect big money investments and definitely disc brakes for safety! Or do you just want a nice warm road motor with approx 70hp atws? If that's the truth then I'd recommend a warm 1275 properly set up and tuned (also with discs of course). If you want to beat big motors, for bragging rights then go the 1100. It's up to you.

Ok, I'm done... :P


I dont know whether that was a passing comment or you meant it for me.. but I think some people have forgotten that I AM whacking some form of boost on it, its just later down the track! :D I was inspired by the results benjamin is getting with his turbo 1100 :) Plus I've heard that 1100's are alot smoother engine...

This is going to be my 'drive-around' setup to break it in and get me around while i finish off the rest of the car :D

Some might not see the sense or even call me crazy for spending twice the money to get the same performance as something that would've been easier and cheaper.. and I probably am, but I'm going to have fun doing it and have something that's not too common :D (anyone know of any supercharged 1100's?)


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Sox61 has a supercharged 1100.

If you want to know about boost go tohttp://www.turbominis.co.ukthen to the forum and yes they do cover supercharged mini's on there too, just not so much.

Now some of those guys have rediculous power at the treads over there, way too much.

But back on topic, it was a passing comment, more speaking back towards what Spaceboy said and I totally agree, that is the issue. It's not brickwall, but still, there's a lot of work to do.

People have their preferences, big bore, small bore (seems to be a mini thing). You'd know mine from my reponses, 1275.

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My main reason for sticking with my 998 (same block, 1100 crank :wink: ) was that it kept my car from going through regency. Too much of a PITA.

Now it puts out decent figures, its a lot more fun to drive.
Also keeps u 1275 boys on your toes...

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Hey sox can I get a few pics of your setup, I'd be really interested to see it :D any specs :)

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Sure, as stated is a 998 block out 40 thou & pocketed, RE13T cam, everything lightened & balanced, dbl valve springs, 12G202 head with 1275 valves, ported & polished, valves relieved... Running bens sc12 kit @ 8-10psi, and 1" 1/2 SU carb, MSD ignition, and some other money burning parts :wink:

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Currently head is off as am having issues with head gasket holding, so am building a 12G940 head to a similar spec as my 202. This means i can run a metro turbo gasket and they are also a little thicker, so i've been told, so they are less likely to warp.
Any other info u want just let me know & i'll see if i can help, need more 1100s on the road 8)

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Sweet, thanks sox. I've seen that heaps and had no idea it was an 1100!! :o :D good work! Go the supa 1100! 8)


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Id say getting over 100hp from a n/a small block is easily achievable. If money was no object for me I would start with one of GR's tasty billet cranks and pistons, blue print and balance everything, spend the $$ on a well prepared 12G940 head. The different approach I would use now is technology
Weber style throttle body injection - multi fire ignition ( distributerless with 1 coilpack per cyclinder to keep that mean spark with a high compression motor) and a decent engine management system ( motec ) . With these boltons Im sure a big cammed high compression (11:1 :twisted: ) can be tamed down to be drivable street motor ( look at the compression todays factory engines run ).

Now time to wake up :cry:


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Gilly wrote:
Id say getting over 100hp from a n/a small block is easily achievable. If money was no object for me I would start with one of GR's tasty billet cranks and pistons, blue print and balance everything, spend the $$ on a well prepared 12G940 head. The different approach I would use now is technology
Weber style throttle body injection - multi fire ignition ( distributerless with 1 coilpack per cyclinder to keep that mean spark with a high compression motor) and a decent engine management system ( motec ) . With these boltons Im sure a big cammed high compression (11:1 :twisted: ) can be tamed down to be drivable street motor ( look at the compression todays factory engines run ).

Now time to wake up :cry:


Well stuff the crank coz I'd rather buy a billet crank for a 1275! :P :wink:

I've got a nice ported 12G940 (not telling anything else :wink:)

I considered the Weber injection using a Jenvey throttle body http://www.jenvey.co.uk/ ... im still considering it, but I'd much rather get a nice 1.75" su manifold and use their single throttle body with 2 injectors (like an electronic SU) ... so who knows, my Weber setup might be for sale in the distant future :wink: :cry:

Compression is going to be around 10.5 : 1, maybe more if i can get away with it! :D

and.. I'm going to be using MegaJolt, which doesnt have dedicated coils per cylinder but its good enough! :)


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I am doubling the Cooper S power output...


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willy wrote:
I am doubling the Cooper S power output...

Me too, or pretty damn close... :wink:

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Depends which book you go by.

76hp x 2 = 152hp.

78hp x 2 = 156hp

Me, approx 107hp. About 1.4 times stock. 40% more than stock should have had.

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