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 Post subject: BMC Crankshaft Steel
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:22 pm 
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I have been reading a stack of historical BMC documentation, for a research project I am working on.

I came accross this, and was interested on 2 counts.

1. The man being written about (Eric Rodham) was the father of my trimmer Ray Rodham. As I wrote in TME a few editions ago, Ray was an ex-BCM trimmer, who did his apprenticeship with BMC.

2. It kinda explains about A series crank shafts and teh material they were made from in OZ.

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The Commonwealth Aircraft Factory at Lidcombe supplied a significant number of people with relevant professional experience. Eric Rodham had been Chief Metallurgist at Lidcombe and took the same position at BMC. The laboratory was initially responsible for the supervision of Metallurgical matters in the Unit Factory, the CAB had a paint technician who had come from the UK and the Press Shop seemed to have independent control of sheet metal but this changed quickly and all materials, came under the “Laboratory” which Eric controlled.

Kern Bigwood and Crawford Watson were chemists, Kern looked after non-metallics like PVC and adhesives and sealers. Crawford I think dealt with oils and lubricants and brake fluids and rubbers. Kern went to Email Orange after 1975 and Crawford went to Girlock (Girling Lockeed Brakes).

There was a very competent chemist who married the librarian (Beryl Johnson she too came from Email across the other side of Joynton Ave.) He at one time had worked as a food chemist and at one point he was asked to design a product to compete with Cottee’s Lemon Butter. He did so successfully and I think went back to food chemistry.

Ken Haw was a non ferrous metallurgist and was second in charge to Eric.

BMC crankshafts (for four cylinder engines) had three bearings. As a consequence they were steel forgings, not iron castings which would have needed a five bearing crank.

The alloy steel specified by BMC England was expensive in Australia. A much cheaper steel was available which, if heat treated properly, gave the same mechanical properties. The cost difference in the UK was negligible, in Australia the demand for the alloy steel was low and consequently there was no economy of scale. Eric prepared a report “How to save a million pounds a year”. Bill Abbott by then was managing director and the change was approved. It certainly helped Eric’s reputation for competence as a metallurgist and as a manager.

Eric was born in Lithgow which town was the original home of Australian Iron and Steel. When AIS moved to Port Kembla Lithgow was devastated. AIS used to offer scholarships to Lithgow youths to train in Port Kembla and Eric was one of those selected.


I don't have an original author for that quote... sorry.


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Nice find, I love these kinds of historical accounts. 8)

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Sounds like an article the heritage group would have written :idea:

Lithgow was also famous for the small arms factory....

and the 40 bends...and

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I've had training in the BMC apprentice building across Joynton Ave, and also the Email factory which is a shadow of it's former self these days.

I love the old apprentice building, it's 8 or so floors of apprentice training workshops now abandoned, you can smell the prussian blue and sense the mischief that would have gone on in there during it's heyday.

A private training authority use it to provide specialist training these days.

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which transverse a series cranks were made in OZ then? I know the cooper s EN40B cranks were english made (well, I think I know), but what of the 1100s small journal EN16T cranks that were in the last cooper s and in the Clubbie GT?

What of the more common variants?

Very Interesting, thanks for sharing!!

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Lithgow was also famous for the small arms factory....



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Got a 10 page article on the BMC ROTODIP, and a funny story about the Californian Moke too.

Yes 9Y... I think these did come from the BMC Heritage group.


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Matt68 wrote:
which transverse a series cranks were made in OZ then? I know the cooper s EN40B cranks were english made (well, I think I know), but what of the 1100s small journal EN16T cranks that were in the last cooper s and in the Clubbie GT?

What of the more common variants?

Very Interesting, thanks for sharing!!

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aussie 998's - I think... :?

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I always thought the 998 and 1098 cranks and also the small journal 1100S were Oz made in the 60s, but whenever I've checked they seem to have the proper UK part numbers like 12G82 (for the 1098). I would have thought an Oz made crank would have an Oz style number, like AYA ****. :lol:

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drmini in aust wrote:
I always thought the 998 and 1098 cranks and also the small journal 1100S were Oz made in the 60s, but whenever I've checked they seem to have the proper UK part numbers like 12G82 (for the 1098). I would have thought an Oz made crank would have an Oz style number, like AYA ****. :lol:
That is also what I thought. I can find Aussie part numbers for 998 rods but not for cranks.
I understood that cranks were forged in England and machined in Aus but I don't know everything! :lol:


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Our steel making in Australia up until recently was always rather agricultural. Perhaps they didn't trust us to make them?

Saying that we went from stump jump plow making technology to making our own Sabre jet fighters in 12 years...so we could definitely do it if we wanted to.

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Mick wrote:
Our steel making in Australia up until recently was always rather agricultural. Perhaps they didn't trust us to make them?


I wouldn't go that far- up until 15 or so years ago we had a pretty good steel industry (Comsteel) that made for example tool steels, special grade steels, ballrace quality steels, stainless steels.
Of course most of it is gone now but back in the 60s it was pretty good.

Other car companies got their cranks forged here, I bet BMC did too. :wink:

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I should clarify..by recently I meant from about the 60's on.

But like so much else in industry, today's policies are formulated perhaps 10 years ago using theories garnered by their creator in the 10 years before that. So perhaps English views of our manufacturing prowess might have been developed using examples that were twenty years old.

Also saying that, Taswegian industry in the years 1940 - 1945 created optical glass for bomb sights in five years from nothing to a standard superlative to the quality it had taken the English and Americans fifty years to attain.

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 Post subject: Huh???
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Dunno about some of the things being said here...

They were great days for Australia. Rolls-Royce claimed that CAC assembled a number of their aircraft engines to the highest standard in the World. Then came along the destructive influence of Government and one Dr Cairns......from then on, with the reduction of tariffs over the years has most of it all but gone.....what a waste.

Thankfully, Port Kembla were able to come up with tons of their finest high-hard steel for our Bushranger IMVs....outstanding :!:

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I've got a fascinating book here put out by the Australian War Memorial "Industry and the People" as part of a large official history of World War 2 and it's effects on Australia. It details all the innovations by Australian manufacturing during that time period. Fascinating read with plenty of graphic plates.

Cos I knows ya, I might be convinced to lend it to ya if you twist my arm...

another titbit.....On being forced by British parliament to hand over the plans for a British light machine gun to an Australian government arms manufacturing plant, the parent company neglected to inform the Australian manufacturers that their version of the inch differed from the standard imperial inch by a small fraction. This difference was true for everything except the caliber. Thus all machine guns produced by Australia operated perfectly, but no parts could be used of English origin and the reverse applied for the Australian parts...cool huh?

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