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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:58 am 
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I thought I would answer PM's to me via a a public post, as many others might be interested

First for the people that don’t know much about turbo charging....
Blow through: turbocharger is before the carb
Draw through: carb before the turbocharger

I believe the majority of the turbo charging you have seen on this site (Pristic and bens turbos) use a blow through turbo charging arrangement... There are pros and cons for each I will explain.....

Draw through is easiest, to put it simply. You don't really need to do anything special to the carb, just make sure it and the rest of the fuel system can supply your increased air/fuel demands (addition reference to the power valve, larger fuel inlet control needles, nothing huge). Oh and u don’t have a BOV.

In plain English: as far as the carb is concerned, when your turbo is all spooled up it's just hooked up to a big breathing engine.

The cons to a draw through system are that you can't use intercooling however the fuel aids to chill the air on a draw through, and some throttle response issues may arise because of the longer intake tracts. They also can be difficult during cold start ups because of the intake tract length (some setups have special diverter valves around the turbo system to help with this). You also need to make sure there is a special carbon face seal on the compressor so oil won't be sucked out of it into the intake tract under vacuum (evidently this isn't normally standard equipment, so you would have to request it when you order a turbo).

With a blow through system, you can use an intercooler, and they tend to have better response (and better cold startups) certainly recommended if you plan to run high boost which I don’t.

You have to modify a carb quite a bit for a blow through setup (unless you use a metro turbo carb). First, you'll need a pressure box/hat for the carb to make sure the float bowl is seeing the same pressure as the intake area. It will also take a little more work to get the carb jetted and set up correctly. You also need to replace certain parts (such as brass or plastic floats) with special nitrophyl type units that won't collapse under pressure. You could also run a BOV with this type of setup which you cannot on a draw through.

That being said here are my specs..
The engine the turbo is on in the photos is not the one it will be fitted to.

Block: fresh build .030 over bore (1302cc) rebuilt donk run in NA for 1000km... 8.5:1 com will run about 7PSI boost.

Head is a NEW import avonbar turbo application head 27.5cc (avonbars very own casting)

Turbo is a T25 high flow with M10 trim originally from a Nissan pulsar it is fully reconditioned with carbon seal (very important when running a draw through setup)

Fuel: 45DCOE Webber also fully reconditioned..

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Trial fit....
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Looks good. :)

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It looks so wicked with a webber :twisted:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:03 pm 
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clubmn wrote:
Oh and u can't have a BOV


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Looks the goods 8)


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Very Good! Now I can see how that weber adaptor thing you had at Toby's is used! What have you made your exhaust manifold out of? Steam Pipe? Just curious as i'm planning something kind of similar...

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afh001 wrote:
Very Good! Now I can see how that weber adaptor thing you had at Toby's is used! What have you made your exhaust manifold out of? Steam Pipe? Just curious as i'm planning something kind of similar...

Andrew


Andrew how are u mate... Yep thats the kit i was telling you about, Steam Pipe exhaust SS inlet.... Kinda similar,what you have in mind.

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Very interesting.

I wonder what the inlet temps would be compared to a draw through supercharged system (which is the most common Mini supercharged system).

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No need to box section the bulkhead it would appear?

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Hanra wrote:
No need to box section the bulkhead it would appear?

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clubmn wrote:
afh001 wrote:
Very Good! Now I can see how that weber adaptor thing you had at Toby's is used! What have you made your exhaust manifold out of? Steam Pipe? Just curious as i'm planning something kind of similar...

Andrew


Andrew how are u mate... Yep thats the kit i was telling you about, Steam Pipe exhaust SS inlet.... Kinda similar,what you have in mind.


Similar as in Turbo + 1275, Probably making a "mirage" style manifold, but to take a GT17 (which is a tight fit..), blow through hif44 with metro turbo plenum and intercooler (so a bit more "conventional", as turbo mini's go)

Got nearly everything, just need to fab up a manifold really... But I'm slow moving, and rather than finishing one project, i just buy more!

Good to see someone doing something a bit different though!

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afh001 wrote:
clubmn wrote:
afh001 wrote:
Very Good! Now I can see how that weber adaptor thing you had at Toby's is used! What have you made your exhaust manifold out of? Steam Pipe? Just curious as i'm planning something kind of similar...

Andrew


But I'm slow moving, and rather than finishing one project, i just buy more!

Good to see someone doing something a bit different though!

Andrew


Dont get me started.... Got another 2 comming this WE

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