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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:43 pm 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
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was filling up at the bowser the other day. I was using premium as always. Saw E10 and it had a warning on it that said do not use for any cars older than 1985. This was at shell
What are you going to do when all petrol is E10? It may happen. :cry:

It may not, he is in Victoria, not the dicktatorship of NSW.. :lol:

<edit> Just wait until the Feds put excise on the ethanol like they did on paint thinners, that'll stop this nonsense. 8)

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drmini in aust wrote:
Morris 1100 wrote:
floss wrote:
was filling up at the bowser the other day. I was using premium as always. Saw E10 and it had a warning on it that said do not use for any cars older than 1985. This was at shell
What are you going to do when all petrol is E10? It may happen. :cry:

It may not, he is in Victoria, not the dicktatorship of NSW.. :lol:
NSW wants to replace Regular Unleaded with E10.
Some parts of the Federal Government want to make all fuels E10 (or more) :shock:

BTW. My tank of E10 returned 29.42mpg (9.6 l/100km) this is only a little below the normal economy for around town driving.
The average for the last 12 months on regular unleaded was 30.54mpg. So 29.42mpg is not too much of a loss of economy but it would need more than one tank to get a better average.

I know that the wifes Telstar increased consumption by about 15% with E10. :cry:

I am now running Caltex Vortex premium for a while.


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any car with a knock sensor will get worse economy.


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I have a 2004 V8 landcruieser that just cost me $1200 to fit 4 new o2 sensors ,yep $300 each, the mechanics said it more than likeley that it was E10 fuel that I occasionally use, they rang Toyota and the reply was "you can use it but they wouldn't recommend it ( on this vehicle),and we can't guarentee that it wouldn't harm the motor and fuel system".
I now use ultimate and fuel consumption is still bad around 28 litres per 100 K's. (yes you read right). It's also now on LPG.


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Using Ethanol-blended petrol is not recommended for use in some older vehicles

Vehicle manufacturers do not recommend the use of ethanol/petrol blended fuels in vehicles made before 1986. This information is also applicable to some vehicles produce post 1986.
Ethanol has a number of important Chemical and physical properties that need to be considered in a vehicle’s design.

CARBURETTOR- EQUIPPED ENGINES
Vehicles made before 1986 were predominantly equipped with carburettors and steel fuel tanks.
The use of Ethanol blended petrol in engines impacts the air/fuel ratio because of the additional oxygen molecules within the ethanol’s chemical structure. Vehicles with carburettor fuel systems may experience hot fuel handling concerns. This is because the vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol will be greater (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted) and probability of vapour lock or hot restorability problems will be increased.
As a solvent, ethanol attacks both the metallic and rubber based fuel lines and other fuel system components.
Ethanol also has an affinity to water that can result in corrosion of fuel tanks and fuel lines. Rust resulting from this corrosion can ultimately block the fuel supply rendering the engine inoperable. Water in the fuel system can result in the engine hesitating and running roughly.


This has been quoted from the Magazine “Automotive workshop” Tech Talk section published by VACC.

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