Ausmini
It is currently Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:39 pm

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:31 pm 
Offline
1275cc
1275cc
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:34 pm
Posts: 3415
Location: Cowra
Can somebody please explain to me the benefit of 6-pots over 4 and over 2.

Because you can only slow a disc down at a certain amount before it locks up and skids and 2 pot calipers can do it, so why buy a set of 6-pot tarox??

I understand that they probably generate less heat under racing conditions because of more surface area. is there any benefit in stopping though?

Im curious as i have been tossing the idea of buying some tarox when i go to england "because i can" but dont understand the benefit or if there is any.

same deal with 8.4's compared to 7.5's on 12" wheels.

Somebody please explain to me why 6 pots are better than 2

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:49 pm 
Offline
ET 13.457 seconds , OH YEAH !!!!
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:35 am
Posts: 7826
Location: Somewhere Around Sydney
I have the Tarox 6-Pots and they are awesome, i followed the development and bought the first kit they sold.

Pros:
Disc Size 235mm (9.25in)
Vented Rotors.
Weight 950g - Alloy Caliper and Hubs on Rotor vs Metro 4-Pots
O-Ring Seals to Prevent dust, dirt etc into the pistons vs KAD 6 Pot setup.

Benefit of extra pistons (from Tarox Website):
1. Pressure is more evenly distributed across the pads.
2. Better cooling action of the pads, because of more airflow behind the pad's metal support.
3. Less stress factors on the caliper itself.
4. More responsive brake pedal.

Do you need them on a mini? probably not, but my case is a little different to most with the conversion side but a highly modded 1275 could make use of them.

Only downside is the need for 13" rims.

_________________
Image
Starlet Conversion:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15484


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: 1 Pot Fiesta brakes!
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:03 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:53 pm
Posts: 658
Location: NSW
Check out these for something different!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fbBWdSDT7E[url][/url]

_________________
Now with 2 extra ports!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:21 pm 
Offline
Bimmer Twinky
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:36 pm
Posts: 8606
Location: Brisbane
The main reason originally was to creat the effective frictional area (or working area) on the disc "Further outward" on the disc,,, basically making it (or tricking it into feeling like) a larger disc rotor

the more pistons there are then "Usually" the smaller they are so the centre of each small piston is effecting it`s work on a larger diam of the disc

with only 2 big pistons then the centre of them is effective on a small diameter position on the rotor , in keeping those big pistons within the outer diam of the rotor of course

sorry, but if you can get the jist of what i`m trying to say there then you`re better than me :-)

soooo a set of tiny little 8pot calipers woud be even better & with longer surface area for the pad to work on really helps too

_________________
No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:17 pm 
Offline
religious status
religious status
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:19 pm
Posts: 39754
Location: near Baulkham Hills, NSW
Having more than one piston on the pad helps prevent pad tilt where the top of the pad wears into the rotor faster than the bottom does.
On 6 piston calipers the top piston is usually smaller than the middle, and the bottom one biggest..

_________________
DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R. :mrgreen:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:22 pm 
Offline
Bimmer Twinky
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:36 pm
Posts: 8606
Location: Brisbane
that too :-)

_________________
No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:23 pm 
Offline
1275cc
1275cc
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:07 pm
Posts: 4682
Location: sunbury victoria
http://www.strathycruise.com/newproduct ... rods_8.jpg

why have 6 when you can have 12 :lol: they are for porsche cayennes etc i think

_________________
Potato


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:32 pm 
Offline
ET 13.457 seconds , OH YEAH !!!!
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:35 am
Posts: 7826
Location: Somewhere Around Sydney
Why have 12 when you can have 16?

Image

_________________
Image
Starlet Conversion:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15484


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:35 pm 
Offline
Bimmer Twinky
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:36 pm
Posts: 8606
Location: Brisbane
any advance on 16??? ,,, going once,,, going twice,,, :-)

_________________
No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:35 pm 
Offline
SooperDooperMiniCooper ExpertEngineering
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:46 am
Posts: 18887
Location: Under the bonnet son!
meeni wrote:
http://www.strathycruise.com/newproducts/scnewprods_8.jpg

why have 6 when you can have 12 :lol: they are for porsche cayennes etc i think


It's a little like back in the 80's when the toyota engines jumped over 16 valves and went to 20....Eventually someone sat down and did the figures and worked out it just wasn't worth all the work that had gone into them....apart from marketting appeal...

_________________
SooperDooperMiniCooperExpertEngineering

All garage work involves equal measures of enthusiasm, ingenuity and a fair degree of irresponsibility.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:04 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:08 pm
Posts: 542
Location: Belconnen, Canberra
Yep that would fill a 10-inch wheel

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:02 am 
Offline
religious status
religious status
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:19 pm
Posts: 39754
Location: near Baulkham Hills, NSW
The rotors there would want to be ventilated, as hardly any air can get to the outside... :lol:

_________________
DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R. :mrgreen:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:41 am 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:38 am
Posts: 982
Location: Dorrigo, NSW
drmini in aust wrote:
The rotors there would want to be ventilated, as hardly any air can get to the outside... :lol:


I dont think there would be enough time to get hot enough....you would stop too fast :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:54 am 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:08 pm
Posts: 542
Location: Belconnen, Canberra
Those brakes are on a Volvo. They don't actually need to use them anyway. They use motorbikes as speed humps! :)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:09 am 
Offline
1275cc
1275cc
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:34 pm
Posts: 3415
Location: Cowra
Thanks for the explanations, so in conclusion i gather

More pots dont actually make you stop better, in that 2pots can do just as good a job as 6pots. The major benfit is that they are more reliable and efficient.

Is that correct

(Matt i think i inderstand what you are saying, but dont get the the benefit of it except to generate less heat, Ohh is it that moving it outward the disc is spinning quicker so stopping it there will work better?)

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  

© 2016 Ausmini. All garage work involves equal measures of enthusiasm, ingenuity and a fair degree of irresponsibility.