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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:10 pm 
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My helicoiled sump plug hole is leaking with the engine just sitting there so I guess the hole was not quite square. Plug is tight with a new copper washer.

Wondering if I araldite a copper washer to the sump - do the plug up until it just touchs and 'self levels' the washer against the plug and let the araldite fill the gap. I'll pull the plug out when the araldite is green so it doesn't lock it in place.

Plan A-
Get thee a good file..
Screw the plug in with no washer, take it back out and carefully file the marks it left on the gearbox.
Repeat until you get a mark all the way round (or just about).
Refit with a new (ie. soft) copper washer, should be OK then.
Plan B--
Buy some Loctite 222, 242 or 262, smear a bit on the `wiped clean' threads each time you refit the plug. :wink:

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Nice, but the orifice is too small to let all the broken bearings & piston rings out :lol:

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You could always consider one of these. Been thinking about grabbing one to play with...

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Nice, but the orifice is too small to let all the broken bearings & piston rings out :lol:

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AEG163job wrote:
Nice, but the orifice is too small to let all the broken bearings & piston rings out :lol:


Actually I was thinking that the sump plug magnet would be missed, but I don't have one on my current plug (it's been replaced at some point) and run a couple of hard disk magnets on the filter instead ;)

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Had a good look at the sump plug hole today - don't think the Doc's plan A is applicable.

It's a combination of a number of things -

1.. there is a chip out of the lip of the hole no much but enough
Image Taken before it was helicoiled - not as big but still some there

2.. the copper washer has to have a big enough hole to get over the thread of the sump plug but when it reaches the head of the plug there is a much narrower smooth section so the washer can move sideways quite a bit.

3.. A combination of the above means that the washer doesn't cover the nick and the flat on the head of the bolt doesn't cover all the inside of the hole in the washer leaving a pathway for oil to leave the sump :evil:

So it looks like - find a plug with a thread right up to the head so the washer can't move about and/or use the Doc's Plan B with plenty of goo under the head of the plug

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Wombat wrote:
Had a good look at the sump plug hole today - don't think the Doc's plan A is applicable.

It's a combination of a number of things -

1.. there is a chip out of the lip of the hole no much but enough

2.. the copper washer has to have a big enough hole to get over the thread of the sump plug but when it reaches the head of the plug there is a much narrower smooth section so the washer can move sideways quite a bit.

3.. A combination of the above means that the washer doesn't cover the Nick and the flat on the head of the bolt doesn't cover all the inside of the hole in the washer leaving a pathway for oil to leave the sump :evil:

So it looks like - find a plug with a thread right up to the head so the washer can't move about and/or use the Doc's Plan B with plenty of goo under the head of the plug

Is it out of the car still?
Should have TIG welded it before assembly... :wink:

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The fully assembled engine and gear box is out of the car.

If the washer didn't move about as much it would be OK I think. Do all sump plugs have that smooth flat section above the thread?

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I have a similar problem with my sump plug, no matter what I tried it still weeped a little oil. The previous owner tried thread tape and a stack of fibre washers but it didn't work, I went back to just one good copper washer and it almost stopped leaking but it still leaked a bit.
So I cleaned it up with CRC Brakleen and applied Loctite Liquid thread sealer (liquid thread tape! :wink: )
It has not leaked a drop in the past twelve months.

The CRC Brakleen is a spray on solvent that washes away the oil and then evaporates dry.
The Loctite thread sealant is a white paste in a tube that you just smear a little on the threads.


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Yeah that Loctite paste is good, but I found their 242 just as good and I keep it. You don't need heaps of either, it only has to seal one thread to work.
Toss the washer away... :wink:

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