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Every import mini post '83 (or something) should have intrusion bars, because most cars worldwide do.


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Thats great news Chris and your Team - Looks like I will be adding that SportsPack 2000 in Tahiti blue with a silver room please. Ready to order when you can supply it Chris.

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How the hell can these dopey legislators and regulators allow thousands of non-side-intrusion-bar modified Minis on our roads, but mandate them only for certain imports?


Not quite. The 76(?)-89 imports that land today still have to have intrusion bars, but they are not tested to the same standards as SEVS.

The later cars bought in under the old laws also had to have side intrusion bars added also. It was just when the law changed and 89 onwards cars had to go through SEVS that it became more difficult.

All this to protect our car manufacturing industry. :roll:

I reckon all cars worldwide should be built to EU standards. THey would then be legal in all countries. That solves the problem permanently.


I meant thousands of other classic Minis Brett...not the euro/jap buzzboxes....this is a Mini forum

It is a misguided approach IMHO..."look, we have made them put SIBs into those old cars so that they are up to the standard of the new ones!!"...

without allowing for the fact that the older structures were never designed for them in the first place...and without comprehensive testing of the overall effect on safety and crashworthiness.

[I know, its a hobby horse...a dead hobby horse that I keep flogging :roll: ]

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bnicho wrote:
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How the hell can these dopey legislators and regulators allow thousands of non-side-intrusion-bar modified Minis on our roads, but mandate them only for certain imports?


Not quite. The 76(?)-89 imports that land today still have to have intrusion bars, but they are not tested to the same standards as SEVS.

The later cars bought in under the old laws also had to have side intrusion bars added also. It was just when the law changed and 89 onwards cars had to go through SEVS that it became more difficult.

All this to protect our car manufacturing industry. :roll:

I reckon all cars worldwide should be built to EU standards. THey would then be legal in all countries. That solves the problem permanently.


My car was imported, it doesn't have instrusion bars.... Personal Imports were happily exempt from such rules :)


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Harley wrote:
Every import mini post '83 (or something) should have intrusion bars, because most cars worldwide do.


The imported minis DO have intrusion bars.

But they aren't to Aus standards..

To be honest... I don't think they're to chinese standards..


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If I recall correctly 97 onwards Minis (at least UK spec) do have decent intrusion bars to meet EU specs?

Cars in Aus new had intrusion bars by law from 1976ish. Maybe we actually lead the world by legislating them first??

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Yeah? I suppose i've only seen the 89 model ones.

a thread washer tacked onto the end of a pipe cleaner ,really.


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Hi and sorry for delay in replying however we have been at Oran Park for a few days.

Only the 1997 onwards Rover Mini had OEM SIB's however these were never tested to any standard, Japanese or European. Personal imports and “15 year old” imports (now pre 1989 imports) have to meet the standards of the State where they will be registered. In NSW for example PI’s don’t need SIB’s but all 88/89/90 models definitely do if originally presented in NSW at the point of 1st rego in Australia.

Under the old Low Volume Scheme (LVCS) the evidence for the SIB's only had to be assessed by an engineer and if they felt the bar meet the requirements they would be signed off. Under SEVS you have to physically test a car (or cars) to find out. The SEVS rules require 3 individual readings (measurements) as the door is being crushed. You must be within certain parameters for a pass. Whilst the LVCS ones would have passed the end result, the measurements to get there would not be within the regulations.... Confused yet!! :oops:

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I reckon all cars worldwide should be built to EU standards. They would then be legal in all countries. That solves the problem permanently.


This is the way most manufacturers are going.... with the exception of the USA. They don’t realise the rest of the world drives cars so therefore don’t worry about building cars to meet any other standards. If they continue along this path their major 3 automakers will lose many billions of dollars and require a government bailout that the US taxpayers will have to suffer for many, many years...... :wink:

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when do you estimate to be able to sell cars to customers?
The majority of cars now will be cars that the customer sources themselves which we comply on their behalf. There will be occasions when we make cars available however this will be in the minority. In the past (under LVCS) we had stocks of car covering the various models however this was not always the best as the buyer of Mini's generally has a specific wish list. Of course, they're the buyer so we always did our best to accommodate this but sometimes we just didn’t have the specific car for them. If they can source their own car we can look after everything from the overseas transport and deregistration, shipping, domestic transport, compliance and even rego (in NSW).

As mentioned under SEVS only OEM parts (or tested, approved aftermarket parts) are allowed. Basically with the compliance this means OEM filters, charcoal canisters, cat converters (37/01), etc. Until we have all the parts here we cannot confirm a price for the compliance.

I hope the compliance should be finalised in around 3 – 4 weeks. At this point we will update our website with prices and more info.

I hope I've covered enough without overstepping the rules. Please feel free to contact us by email or phone if you need any other info.

Chris.


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Do you have any pictures of the tests? before and after pics would be interesting to see.

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ozcooper wrote:
Hi and sorry for delay in replying however we have been at Oran Park for a few days.

Only the 1997 onwards Rover Mini had OEM SIB's however these were never tested to any standard, Japanese or European. Personal imports and “15 year old” imports (now pre 1989 imports) have to meet the standards of the State where they will be registered. In NSW for example PI’s don’t need SIB’s but all 88/89/90 models definitely do if originally presented in NSW at the point of 1st rego in Australia.

Under the old Low Volume Scheme (LVCS) the evidence for the SIB's only had to be assessed by an engineer and if they felt the bar meet the requirements they would be signed off. Under SEVS you have to physically test a car (or cars) to find out. The SEVS rules require 3 individual readings (measurements) as the door is being crushed. You must be within certain parameters for a pass. Whilst the LVCS ones would have passed the end result, the measurements to get there would not be within the regulations.... Confused yet!! :oops:

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I reckon all cars worldwide should be built to EU standards. They would then be legal in all countries. That solves the problem permanently.


This is the way most manufacturers are going.... with the exception of the USA. They don’t realise the rest of the world drives cars so therefore don’t worry about building cars to meet any other standards. If they continue along this path their major 3 automakers will lose many billions of dollars and require a government bailout that the US taxpayers will have to suffer for many, many years...... :wink:

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when do you estimate to be able to sell cars to customers?
The majority of cars now will be cars that the customer sources themselves which we comply on their behalf. There will be occasions when we make cars available however this will be in the minority. In the past (under LVCS) we had stocks of car covering the various models however this was not always the best as the buyer of Mini's generally has a specific wish list. Of course, they're the buyer so we always did our best to accommodate this but sometimes we just didn’t have the specific car for them. If they can source their own car we can look after everything from the overseas transport and deregistration, shipping, domestic transport, compliance and even rego (in NSW).

As mentioned under SEVS only OEM parts (or tested, approved aftermarket parts) are allowed. Basically with the compliance this means OEM filters, charcoal canisters, cat converters (37/01), etc. Until we have all the parts here we cannot confirm a price for the compliance.

I hope the compliance should be finalised in around 3 – 4 weeks. At this point we will update our website with prices and more info.

I hope I've covered enough without overstepping the rules. Please feel free to contact us by email or phone if you need any other info.

Chris.


Thanks Chris for keeping us informed from the Central Coast...nothing you have said makes me think anything other than little-Hitlers in Australian State fifedoms are making things up as they go....ad-hoc city :roll:

When the hell are we going to grow up in this regard...a world standard (especially on where they place the steering wheel!!) would be a marvelous thing coupled with a world standard on how older vehicles are treated.

Still, if a few more late model Minis make their way to our shores because of yours (and others) efforts...that would be a terrific thang :wink:

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We have now updated our website with some FAQ's -

http://www.ozcooper.com.au/latest_news.htm

If there is any other info needed, let us know and we will do our best to assist.

Chris.


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9YaTaH wrote:
ozcooper wrote:
Hi and sorry for delay in replying however we have been at Oran Park for a few days.

Only the 1997 onwards Rover Mini had OEM SIB's however these were never tested to any standard, Japanese or European. Personal imports and “15 year old” imports (now pre 1989 imports) have to meet the standards of the State where they will be registered. In NSW for example PI’s don’t need SIB’s but all 88/89/90 models definitely do if originally presented in NSW at the point of 1st rego in Australia.

Under the old Low Volume Scheme (LVCS) the evidence for the SIB's only had to be assessed by an engineer and if they felt the bar meet the requirements they would be signed off. Under SEVS you have to physically test a car (or cars) to find out. The SEVS rules require 3 individual readings (measurements) as the door is being crushed. You must be within certain parameters for a pass. Whilst the LVCS ones would have passed the end result, the measurements to get there would not be within the regulations.... Confused yet!! :oops:

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I reckon all cars worldwide should be built to EU standards. They would then be legal in all countries. That solves the problem permanently.


This is the way most manufacturers are going.... with the exception of the USA. They don’t realise the rest of the world drives cars so therefore don’t worry about building cars to meet any other standards. If they continue along this path their major 3 automakers will lose many billions of dollars and require a government bailout that the US taxpayers will have to suffer for many, many years...... :wink:

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when do you estimate to be able to sell cars to customers?
The majority of cars now will be cars that the customer sources themselves which we comply on their behalf. There will be occasions when we make cars available however this will be in the minority. In the past (under LVCS) we had stocks of car covering the various models however this was not always the best as the buyer of Mini's generally has a specific wish list. Of course, they're the buyer so we always did our best to accommodate this but sometimes we just didn’t have the specific car for them. If they can source their own car we can look after everything from the overseas transport and deregistration, shipping, domestic transport, compliance and even rego (in NSW).

As mentioned under SEVS only OEM parts (or tested, approved aftermarket parts) are allowed. Basically with the compliance this means OEM filters, charcoal canisters, cat converters (37/01), etc. Until we have all the parts here we cannot confirm a price for the compliance.

I hope the compliance should be finalised in around 3 – 4 weeks. At this point we will update our website with prices and more info.

I hope I've covered enough without overstepping the rules. Please feel free to contact us by email or phone if you need any other info.

Chris.


Thanks Chris for keeping us informed from the Central Coast...nothing you have said makes me think anything other than little-Hitlers in Australian State fifedoms are making things up as they go....ad-hoc city :roll:

When the hell are we going to grow up in this regard...a world standard (especially on where they place the steering wheel!!) would be a marvelous thing coupled with a world standard on how older vehicles are treated.

Still, if a few more late model Minis make their way to our shores because of yours (and others) efforts...that would be a terrific thang :wink:


but the car manufacturers do have standards, they make up there own standard and expect everyone else who has made there own standards to follow along. :)

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is there a video of the mini being crashed???

That would be interesting to see

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Bubbacluby wrote:
is there a video of the mini being crashed???

That would be interesting to see


Sicko :!: :roll: :D

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