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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:13 pm 
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mini is my ride wrote:
I am more worried about CV's than then anything else with
corners and roundabouts..

should I ?


If your CV boots are in good condition, no tears or holes etc, and your wheel alignment is done correctly, then NO, go for it! :lol:


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cush wrote:
Are you saying that the center oil pick up isn't necessary?

No I'm not, but the vast majority of Minis on the road do NOT have one. And hooning these through roundabouts (as we all do) is very likely to run the bearings unless it's FULL of oil.
Both my engines have a centre oil pickup. :wink:

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The main benefit of windage trays (on race motors) is it keeps the busted engine's whirly bits out of the gearbox...


and there i was thinking it was this

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A wind-age tray is usually a stamped piece of sheet metal that is mounted between the crank shaft and the oil pan. On slow revving i.e. stock applications there benefit is slight. However race and high RPM applications claim that they actually free up more horsepower. When the crankshaft is rotating say at highway speed a horizontal vortex of swirling air is generated. The oil in the engine that was pumped up high and residual from the crank assembly is draining back to the oil pan gets caught in this vortex and is spinning too. Some estimate that anywhere from 1 to 3 quarts of oil can be caught in this vortex. Which leads to why a wind-age tray is such a great thing. (1) this much swirling oil acts like a small load on the engine and robs HorsePower. (2) with that much oil NOT in your oil pan at High RPM you could have a potential oil starvation or cavitation problem. A wind-age tray acts like a scraper and removes the oil from the vortex letting it drain back to the oil pan. It does not actually touch the crank shaft but it is close enough to it to skim off the oil and let it drain.


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Just imagine those big crank counterweights and connecting rods spinning just above a pool of oil 100 times a second. It creates a bit of a vortex as you might imagine. It's bound to pick up at least a mist of that oil and carry it around with the spinning assembly, right? Well, it's worse than that-it can pick up a whole lot of the total oil capacity at high rpm and just kinda wrap itself up in it in an extreme situation. That creates a lot of drag on the spinning assembly, and might even uncover the pickup so you lose oil pressure. Part of the reason for deep-sump designs is not just to increase oil capacity, but to move it down away from the crank. If you could move the oil level down 10" you wouldn't have much of a problem, but you can't because of ground clearance. The tray and any other pan baffling are about oil control. The baffles seek to keep it from sloshing out of the pan from g-forces, and the tray seeks to seperate the oil reservoir from the crank as much as possible-making the reservoir a semi-sealed package. They even use crank scrapers that are cut to just clear the crank and rods and skim off any excess oil. All this is why the ultimate bucks-up builds use a dry sump system with the oil kept in a seperate tank when rules allow. Most of the power savings are at higher rpm levels as you might imagine.


i guess all the owners of rwd race motors just like to add weight to their cars.


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here's a previous thread about them
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic ... ge&start=0

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A quote from the end of that previous thread...
"OK I spoke at length with GR this morning.
Says there is a lot of hype around them...
Yes, people run do them in Nb cars with 3 synchro boxes.
No he has never seen any extra power in a mini, on the engine dyno.
Yes they work in V8s. He reckons pretty much a waste of time in a Mini..
main benefit is they keep broken pistons & rods out of the gearbox... " :D

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