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There's no witty comeback to that.....it's true. :lol:

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There's no witty comeback to that.....it's true. :lol:

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drmini in aust wrote:
You could graft an 850 3 synchro diff housing on, yes it fits. Just check the bearing bores in the case for size and roundness. Leave the 2 dowels out if necessary. :wink:


I was told it would leak oil like buggery if I tried that. Hmmm.

Anyone got a spare 650 diff housing? :)

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I think I have the other end of the scale:

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Ha,,, yeah my dad`s motorkhana/hillclimb special has an extended one like that

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A few more photos to show a bit more detail...

Outside of the tin plate cover, notice the little drain hole to let the water out!

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Inside of the tin plate...

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Showing how the stick fits in the hole...

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The bottom of the gearbox...

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How the gearstick sits in place...

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Someone was sitting there smoking a pipe when they designed that one...


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With the number of shafts, bushings, knuckles, splines and levers in this system and the remote shift, it is surprising that it is as good as it is.

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GT mowog wrote:
With the number of shafts, bushings, knuckles, splines and levers in this system and the remote shift, it is surprising that it is as good as it is.

That's because it is an engineered solution, not an agricultural one (rodchange) :lol:
What bits you can't buy for a remote can be hardfaced when worn.

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drmini in aust wrote:
GT mowog wrote:
With the number of shafts, bushings, knuckles, splines and levers in this system and the remote shift, it is surprising that it is as good as it is.

That's because it is an engineered solution, not an agricultural one (rodchange) :lol:
What bits you can't buy for a remote can be hardfaced when worn.


I would have to say that the rod change makes more sense, it straight in and off to the right, no mess, no fuss....it's hardly agricultural :!:

The remote shift is straight down, then toggle 45 deg up, then double toggle off to the left and 90 deg down, then turn to the right. With all the parts that need to move, it's almost a micicle that the shift that you are doing actually happens on the same day in the gearbox :shock: . I almost feel exhausted thinking about it and describing loosely. Yeap you can rebuild them when they knacker out, but only the eye and roll pins in the rod shift knacker out and they are a 5 minute in car fix. No hardfacing required here !

Don't take this the wrong way, I respect the remote shift mechanism, but for what it is, it is complex and for all that complexity, it does work remarkable well.......I have a soft spot for it, but I do generally prefer the rod shift.

No modern front drive car uses a complex shift mechanism like these, they either have Cable Shift or Rod Shift....funny 'bout that :wink:

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The rodchange comes with its own proprietary oil leak.
What a dumb place to put a selector rod- under 3" of oil!!

Yeah they were an OK shift, when NEW. Would have stayed OK, had BL engineered it better.
Modern cars don't have a rodchange by BL/Rover.
Every rodchange Mini I've driven in the last 20 years, the slack has to be seen to be believed.

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drmini in aust wrote:
The rodchange comes with its own proprietary oil leak.
What a dumb place to put a selector rod- under 3" of oil!!

Yeah they were an OK shift, when NEW. Would have stayed OK, had BL engineered it better.
Modern cars don't have a rodchange by BL/Rover.
Every rodchange Mini I've driven in the last 20 years, the slack has to be seen to be believed.


Well I cannot speak for those that you've had experience with, but mine has been quite different. Maybe I go to a different machine shop :wink:

But the number of remote shift gearboxes that I've had to strip down just to tighten the silly screws on the selector forks....I could have done it the butchers way and drilled the box.......

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In the Blue Corner we have the reigning champion - the Remote Change. And in the Red Corner we have the challenger - the Rod Change.

Keep the fight clean boys!

Ding, Ding! :P

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The 2 best Performance Minis- Cooper S and Clubman GT both had a real remote, not a rodchange. I rest my case..:mrgreen:

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bnicho wrote:
In the Blue Corner we have the reigning champion - the Remote Change. And in the Red Corner we have the challenger - the Rod Change.

Keep the fight clean boys!

Ding, Ding! :P


I don't really think that is the case!



But as the mini evolved they went from remote to rod shift. They didn't go back to Remotes!

Higher performace Mini's than the Cooper S and Clubman GTs were fitted with Rod Shift - Late Coopers (90's model), and ERA Turbo. Although Not a Mini but shared in a similar family the Metro Turbo and MG Metro were also Rod Shift.

Look, I respect the remote shift. I don't know that you have read that.

And don't blame the rod shift if your unable to assemble it so it doesn't leak......The Diff out put shafts of both Remote and Rod Shift boxes are also part under oil. Mine don't leak.

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