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Sorry, I scanned over this thread a bit quick and missed that :oops:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:18 pm 
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IwannaMini wrote:
now she tries to kick over but whirs and whirs like she has a flat battery.

At a guess the Solenoid on the starter motor is not throwing the bendix gear to the flywheel. When that happerns the starter will spin but not engage the ring gear.
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If the engine turns it can not be the solenoid. The Solenoid is what makes the starter engage and switches to power to the starter motor on, so it will turn. This guy is saying the starter turns the engine but engine does not fire. Does the engine turn over at a decent speed when cranking ?

Were does it say that the motor turns over?

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deluxe_68 wrote:
IwannaMini wrote:
now she tries to kick over but whirs and whirs like she has a flat battery.

At a guess the Solenoid on the starter motor is not throwing the bendix gear to the flywheel. When that happerns the starter will spin but not engage the ring gear.
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If the engine turns it can not be the solenoid. The Solenoid is what makes the starter engage and switches to power to the starter motor on, so it will turn. This guy is saying the starter turns the engine but engine does not fire. Does the engine turn over at a decent speed when cranking ?

Were does it say that the motor turns over?

If the starter spins but doesn't turn the engine, it can also be the overrun (sprag) clutch on the pinion is slipping. This is way more common than the solenoid not throwing the pinion into mesh.
I know all about this problem, I owned a Fiat 124 sport for 23 years!:mrgreen:

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If a solenoid engages and starter spins it means the solenoid is working perfectly. If the starter spins and gear does not engage with ring gear (or sounds that way) it could be the starter drive has a slipping Roller clutch, a broken throw out lever or the throw out lever Pin has fallen out or broken. People seem to blame the solenoid for everything in a starter problem. It must be the only part they know the name of in a starter assembly. I hope this poor guy can work this problem out amongst all this confusion of wild guesses and diagnostics.

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The doctor is doing a house call on Monday- if starter whirrs but doesn't spin the donk, it's coming out... 8)

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Convertible Mini wrote:
If a solenoid engages and starter spins it means the solenoid is working perfectly. If the starter spins and gear does not engage with ring gear (or sounds that way) it could be the starter drive has a slipping Roller clutch, a broken throw out lever or the throw out lever Pin has fallen out or broken. People seem to blame the solenoid for everything in a starter problem. It must be the only part they know the name of in a starter assembly. I hope this poor guy can work this problem out amongst all this confusion of wild guesses and diagnostics.

I had the same problem about two months ago, the starter motor would spin but not throw out.
Roller clutch was fine, throw out lever was fine, pin was fine so changed solenoid and guess what... it worked.
So it can be a solenoid and not a wild guess!
Cheers Pete

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is fuel injected? is there a spark?
if not, check the crankshaft sensor, close to the starter. if it is not working right, the ecu won't do anything, no fuel, no spark.

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Nah it's an old one, has a dizzy. :wink:
None of these new-fangled electronics problems, this one has to be good old Lucas electrical.

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I thought it was a SPI, going off the topic heading?
If it is, it will have a dizzy of sorts, all it has inside is a shaft and rotor button.
Cheers Pete

P.S Here is a manual to have a look at (4.5MB)
http://mini.nicehelp.co.uk/Work%20Shop%20Maunal.pdf
Also circuit diagrams (1.04MB)
http://mini.nicehelp.co.uk/Circuit%20Diagrams.pdf

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Early SPi's had a dizzy, MPi's had a coilpack the same as the late SPi Jap spec..

Geez Marcello still no love with the lil racer.....somethings got to give and you know the secret to this problem, good luck with it mate!


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Early SPi's had a dizzy, MPi's had a coilpack the same as the late SPi Jap spec..

Geez Marcello still no love with the lil racer.....somethings got to give and you know the secret to this problem, good luck with it mate!

As I said above the dizzy has nothing in it, just a shaft and rotor button.
Cheers Pete

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deluxe_68 wrote:
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Early SPi's had a dizzy, MPi's had a coilpack the same as the late SPi Jap spec..

Geez Marcello still no love with the lil racer.....somethings got to give and you know the secret to this problem, good luck with it mate!

As I said above the dizzy has nothing in it, just a shaft and rotor button.
Cheers Pete


that's what mine has, it's a pure distributor and has no timing function at all. Certainly no points inside and spark timing is controlled by the ecu with input from the reluctor wheel (crank angle sensor)I

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jasonf wrote:
Early SPi's had a dizzy, MPi's had a coilpack the same as the late SPi Jap spec..

Geez Marcello still no love with the lil racer.....somethings got to give and you know the secret to this problem, good luck with it mate!

As I said above the dizzy has nothing in it, just a shaft and rotor button.
Cheers Pete


Did I say it did? Geez Pete, you are very defensive in this thread mate, settle...the post was directed more at KLAS to say not all SPi's are dizzyless

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I am sure that KLAS knows all about injected minis as he and has mate's are the ones that have designed the programmable ECU for the SPI.
Which can be read about at the following link.
http://www.umsforum.mini-cooper-clubman.de/YaBB.pl

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deluxe_68 wrote:
I am sure that KLAS knows all about injected minis
thanks a lot, but for sure i don't know all about injected minis.

but you can say if it uses MEMS it needs the crankshaft sensor to see the engine turning over.
so if you turn on the ignition and you hear the fuel pump you can be quite sure that the ecu is powered right. trying to start the engine and nothing else happens than the starter is working look if you can see the rockers moving through the oil filler. if yes, the starter is working right. with the next try to start the engine look or feel if fuel is injected. my arms are long enough to turn the key and reach one finger close to the injector to feel the fuel, i usually don't have a person helping me. than check for a spark, best with a helpfull person. if both are not there check the crankshaft sensor. if only one is missing, forget this sensor, it's working.

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