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I am thinking of getting my speedo serviced/calibated as it reads about 8-10mph too fast and the needle shakes around a bit (2-4mph)

Before I do this I want to make sure my gearbox/diff is correct ratio for this speedo.

It is a Mk1 Cooper S fitted with a Mk2 gearbox.

Speedo is Cooper S 130mph speedo marked as 1280TPM
Car has 10inch wheels

According to Navman....

When I do 3000 rpm in top gear I am doing 78kph (48mph) according to navman
When I do 4000 rpm in top gear I am doing 102kph (63mph) according to navman

If the g/box and diff are standard do these figures sound about right?

Am I better off measuring one wheel rotation and comparing it to the speedo cable rotation?

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 Post subject: Re: Speedo Calibration
PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:41 pm 
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phillb wrote:

According to Navman....

When I do 3000 rpm in top gear I am doing 78kph (48mph) according to navman
When I do 4000 rpm in top gear I am doing 102kph (63mph) according to navman

If the g/box and diff are standard do these figures sound about right?



Those numbers sound pretty spot on. Diff is 3.44.

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GT mowog wrote:
phillb wrote:

According to Navman....

When I do 3000 rpm in top gear I am doing 78kph (48mph) according to navman
When I do 4000 rpm in top gear I am doing 102kph (63mph) according to navman

If the g/box and diff are standard do these figures sound about right?



Those numbers sound pretty spot on. Diff is 3.44.


Ok, thanks GT,

I guess my next question is can anyone recommend an instrument repairer in Sydney with experience with Smiths Speedos?

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I just run the Cooper S gear ratio and tyre size into Gearcalc.

16.51mph per 1000rpm.
33.02 at 2000
49.53 at 3000
65.74 at 4000
82.25 at 5000
98.76 at 6000

But the actual tyre size will make a difference. So if you mark the sidewall of the tyre at the bottom and place a mark on the ground. Then push the car one revolution of the tyre and place another mark on the ground. Measure the distance between the two marks and feed that into gearcalc it will give a more accurate reading.


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phillb wrote:
GT mowog wrote:
phillb wrote:

According to Navman....

When I do 3000 rpm in top gear I am doing 78kph (48mph) according to navman
When I do 4000 rpm in top gear I am doing 102kph (63mph) according to navman

If the g/box and diff are standard do these figures sound about right?



Those numbers sound pretty spot on. Diff is 3.44.


Ok, thanks GT,

I guess my next question is can anyone recommend an instrument repairer in Sydney with experience with Smiths Speedos?

A bloke from work told me that there was good instrument repairer at Unanderra.

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Humphrey Instruments Sales & Service
Instruments--General - Unanderra, NSW
(02) 4272 6014
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Unit 2/ 235 Princes Hwy, Unanderra NSW 2526, Australia


Give them a call.


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Had my Cooper S speedo calibrated and checked out and serviced at a place on Carter Rd Brookvale:

Manly Auto instruments
19 Carter Rd
Brookvale NSW 2100, Australia
(02) 9938 4114

Nice guy and good service - knows his stuff. Also apparently does all Mini and Moke World's instruments.

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Morris 1100 wrote:
I just run the Cooper S gear ratio and tyre size into Gearcalc.

16.51mph per 1000rpm.
33.02 at 2000
49.53 at 3000
65.74 at 4000
82.25 at 5000
98.76 at 6000

But the actual tyre size will make a difference. So if you mark the sidewall of the tyre at the bottom and place a mark on the ground. Then push the car one revolution of the tyre and place another mark on the ground. Measure the distance between the two marks and feed that into gearcalc it will give a more accurate reading.


Yeah, Thanks heaps Morris, thats very close to what I'm seeing with the Navman, so that confirms my Gearbox/Diff is standard.

Thanks for the recommendation of repairer also.

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phillb wrote:
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I just run the Cooper S gear ratio and tyre size into Gearcalc.

16.51mph per 1000rpm.
33.02 at 2000
49.53 at 3000
65.74 at 4000
82.25 at 5000
98.76 at 6000

But the actual tyre size will make a difference. So if you mark the sidewall of the tyre at the bottom and place a mark on the ground. Then push the car one revolution of the tyre and place another mark on the ground. Measure the distance between the two marks and feed that into gearcalc it will give a more accurate reading.


Yeah, Thanks heaps Morris, thats very close to what I'm seeing with the Navman, so that confirms my Gearbox/Diff is standard.

Thanks for the recommendation of repairer also.


The Australian workshop manual gives 16.00mph per 1000rpm not the 16.51 that Gearcalc worked out. It could be the difference in tyres or it could be bad info! If you could give me the circumference (or even the dia) of the tyre I could run it again.

I have not used that instrument repairer but the bloke at work used him on an old Falcon and I think he might have used him for his Cooper S as well.


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This site has a good online calculator that is mini specific ... and useful for looking at speedo variations

http://www.guess-works.com/Gearbox/Technical/ratio.htm


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MINImal effort wrote:
This site has a good online calculator that is mini specific ... and useful for looking at speedo variations

http://www.guess-works.com/Gearbox/Technical/ratio.htm

Not bad. I got some good info from there. :D
But a few of his wheel sizes are wrong and it is missing some of the Australian speedo variants. :cry: (mostly Morris 1100 stuff that is missing so I guess it won't worry most of you! 8) )


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:11 pm 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
phillb wrote:
Morris 1100 wrote:
I just run the Cooper S gear ratio and tyre size into Gearcalc.

16.51mph per 1000rpm.
33.02 at 2000
49.53 at 3000
65.74 at 4000
82.25 at 5000
98.76 at 6000

But the actual tyre size will make a difference. So if you mark the sidewall of the tyre at the bottom and place a mark on the ground. Then push the car one revolution of the tyre and place another mark on the ground. Measure the distance between the two marks and feed that into gearcalc it will give a more accurate reading.


Yeah, Thanks heaps Morris, thats very close to what I'm seeing with the Navman, so that confirms my Gearbox/Diff is standard.

Thanks for the recommendation of repairer also.


The Australian workshop manual gives 16.00mph per 1000rpm not the 16.51 that Gearcalc worked out. It could be the difference in tyres or it could be bad info! If you could give me the circumference (or even the dia) of the tyre I could run it again.

I have not used that instrument repairer but the bloke at work used him on an old Falcon and I think he might have used him for his Cooper S as well.


Well the 16/1000 rpm gives almost exactly what I am getting so I guess that confirms I have a standard diff etc.

I also measured my circumference on the garage floor and its 1475mm* so if you like you can put that into Gearcalc and see what comes up.

EDIT: *they are pretty worn, due to be replaced

That Guessworks site is good also, thanks MINImal effort

Either way its only a couple of mph difference and I'm sure new vs worn tyres could give that kind of variation.

Anyway at least now I can ask the instrument repairer to set it back to 1280 TPM and it should read correct (or very close) for my car.

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Funnily enough when I ran it with 1475mm it gives 15.99mph per 1000rpm. :D :D :D

I will give you the full results in a little while. :wink:


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I hope I got the ratios right! Someone will soon let me know if they are wrong. :lol:

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GearCalc v2.0.0.3  Copyright ©2001, Peter Ogden
    Gear Ratio, Speed and RPM Calculator

    Gear set: Manually entered values
    Gear        1        2        3        4      Final
    Ratios:   3.300    2.070    1.350    1.000    3.440

    RPM Limit:          6500
    RPM @Peak Power:    5800
    Tyre Size:          unknown
    Tyre Diameter:      18.48 in
    Tyre Circumference: 58.07 in


    Gear   Mph per 1000 RPM   Mph @5800 RPM   Mph @6500 RPM
    --------------------------------------------------------
      1         4.84                28              31
      2         7.72                45              50
      3        11.84                69              77
      4        15.99                93             104
   
     Mph         RPM (in Gears)
    ----------------------------------------
               1        2        3        4       
    ----------------------------------------
       5     1032      647      422      313
      10     2064     1295      845      626
      15     3097     1942     1267      938
      20     4129     2590     1689     1251
      25     5161     3237     2111     1564
      30     6193     3885     2534     1877
      35              4532     2956     2189
      40              5180     3378     2502
      45              5827     3800     2815
      50              6475     4223     3128
      55                       4645     3441
      60                       5067     3753
      65                       5489     4066
      70                       5912     4379
      75                       6334     4692
      80                                5004
      85                                5317
      90                                5630
      95                                5943
     100                                6256
   
    Gear Change  RPM drop (change @5800)  RPM drop (change @6500)
    -------------------------------------------------------------
      1 -> 2         -2162 (to 3638)          -2423 (to 4077)
      2 -> 3         -2017 (to 3783)          -2261 (to 4239)
      3 -> 4         -1504 (to 4296)          -1685 (to 4815)




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    GearCalc v2.0.0.3  Copyright ©2001, Peter Ogden
    Gear Ratio, Speed and RPM Calculator

    Gear set: Manually entered values
    Gear        1        2        3        4      Final
    Ratios:   3.300    2.070    1.350    1.000    3.440

    RPM Limit:          6500
    RPM @Peak Power:    5800
    Tyre Size:          unknown
    Tyre Diameter:      469.51 mm
    Tyre Circumference: 1475.00 mm


    Gear   Km/h per 1000 RPM  Km/h @5800 RPM  Km/h @6500 RPM
    --------------------------------------------------------
      1         7.80                45              51
      2        12.43                72              81
      3        19.06               111             124
      4        25.73               149             167
   
    Km/h         RPM (in Gears)
    ----------------------------------------
               1        2        3        4       
    ----------------------------------------
      10     1283      805      525      389
      20     2565     1609     1049      777
      30     3848     2414     1574     1166
      40     5131     3218     2099     1555
      50     6414     4023     2624     1944
      60              4828     3148     2332
      70              5632     3673     2721
      80              6437     4198     3110
      90                       4723     3498
     100                       5247     3887
     110                       5772     4276
     120                       6297     4664
     130                                5053
     140                                5442
     150                                5831
     160                                6219
   
    Gear Change  RPM drop (change @5800)  RPM drop (change @6500)
    -------------------------------------------------------------
      1 -> 2         -2162 (to 3638)          -2423 (to 4077)
      2 -> 3         -2017 (to 3783)          -2261 (to 4239)
      3 -> 4         -1504 (to 4296)          -1685 (to 4815)


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Hmmm all these numbers are concerning, my Cooper S is far different, MK2 box, 3.44 diff 10 inch wheels.

My car does 1750 rpm at 110ks on the highway.


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Oh thats right, its on the trailer at the time. :D

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doogie wrote:
Hmmm all these numbers are concerning, my Cooper S is far different, MK2 box, 3.44 diff 10 inch wheels.

My car does 1750 rpm at 110ks on the highway.


Doogie

Oh thats right, its on the trailer at the time. :D


:lol: :lol: If only that were true.

Here's a pic which shows how far out my speedo is, should be reading 48mph at those revs not 58.

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