Hi justminis,
I have mostly heard around the figure of 5 or 6 Black Mk1's. I do remember one being advertised b in unique cars or the like, as "1 of only 12" but didnt enquire as to how they might know this.
I wonder how many Watto has on his register?
I notice you have a '70 K race car. Isit Grp N?
regards Ben.

Hey Ben,
I've sent watto a pm and asked him. No, my race car is not log booked, is too modified body wise to be log booked. Use it for sprints, hill climbs and regularity.

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Steve

i cant read my rad shroud , but engine is 9F/SA/Y47564
wiper motor is 7/67
what should my body number be

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Hi Dodge.

There is no way of telling what your body number or chassis number will be from the engine number.

There are a few reasons for the this.

First and foremost because engines were not fitted into the chassis in any number sequence.

Secondly, many cars have had replacement engines in their history.

To identify your car there are a few places to look.

As you mentioned the radiator shroud we will start there.

Depending on what year your car is the number on the rad shroud will be either the body number or the chassis number.

There is a difference of about 500 (rarely exactly 500) between these two numbers. Again, this is because the bodies were not kept in any specific sequence, as Cooper S appear to have been built in batches, bodies were put out of sequence if they required two colours (as most did) or if their was any rectification needed - meaning the car was taken out of sequence for the rectification.

If your car is a Mk1 or post-1969 Mk2 then the number on the shroud should be the body number.

Again, because of the above reasons, knowing the body number will not give you the chassis number.

However, the body number should have M2 / 06 before the number. This is sometimes in a circle but not usually. The 06 refers to YDO6 - a Cooper S. If it is 05, then it is YDO5, or a Mini De Luxe. Having M2 / 06 at least tells you the car is a Cooper S.

If your car is Mk2 from 1969 or very early 1970, then the number on the rad shroud will be the chassis number. If this is the case then the prefix to the number will by YG2S4, instead of M2 / 06.

The YG2 should be one stamping, the 4 is a separate stamping.

If the number prefix is YG2S1 then it is a Mini K. If it is YG2S3 then it is a base-model Mini 1100. So, it should be YG2S4 for Cooper S Mk2.

If this is the case for your car, then the body number, again about 500 less than chassis number, should be stamped into the scuttle drain channel (at the rear edge of the bonnet aperture). Again this should M2 / 06 (as the Mk2 Cooper S was still a YDO6 model).

OK, if your car has the body number on the rad shroud (ie it is a Mk1 or post-1969 Mk2) then the chassis number will be stamped into the fire-wall just behind the brake or clutch master cylinder.

If you are not sure of the age of your car, or if it was originally Mk1 or Mk2 (it should be a Mk1 if your engine is the original, so that gives you somewhere to start) then have a look to see where the ID or Compliance plate was fitted. Look for the four pop-rivet holes. A Mk1 would have an ID plate fitted to the firewall behind the master cylinders, just above where the number is stamped into the body. This number should of course match the number on the plate.

Remember, the body number was stamped before the body was painted, so is often full of paint and hard to read. The chassis number was stamped in after the car assembly was finished, so is often easier to read - however, if the car has been repainted at any stage then this may also be full of paint and very difficult to read.

So, there you go.

Happy number hunting.

Let us all know how you get on and what the numbers are that you find.

Cheers,
Watto.

Hey Watto , can you sus this one out for me ? the id plate ..quote
TYPE YKG2S2
CAR NO. 5356
ENGINE NO. 9F/Sa/Y 51286
COLOUR 1/SNOW WWHITE/1

Number stampped on bulk head match with compliance plate 5356
Engine number matches
I know that it has had a front end put on it
Number on radiator shroud 4868
Wiper motor 10/68
Starter solanoid 3/67
Fuse box 9/68
Wiper switch 5/68
Light switch 9/68
Flasher can2/69
Distributor /68
Ingintion switch 7/68
Horn button 10/66
As far as I know it is a late 68 early 69 MK1., Left hand park wipers
I believe it was build date 2/69

Hi Slacko.

What do you want me to suss out exactly? you have most of the info.

The only things I can add are the original Vic registration was apparently KFH 626 and I have it listed as March 1969.

Everything else I have matches the info you supplied. Thanks for the body number, which I didn't have. Being 488 out from the chassis number is not unusual, so I would suggest it is the original number.

Cheers,
Watto.

Thanks Watto , Nothing realy to suss , just thought you may be interrested in this . This one has all the right bits and numbers , I bought it in pieces ( all apart) , body shell and every thing else in boxes , Restoration is under way but will be a long project, Thanks for the original rego number and the build date .. Cheers Mark

Although I do not have a Cooper S and therefore not worthy of joining this list, I may be able to provide some insight here.

I own a 1988 Porsche 911 Carrera Clubsport (as well as a Mini before I am attacked ). It's one of 50 in the world - actually I think its one of 48 known to exist from 53 made - or something like that.

There is a register for these cars run from the UK.

The register keeps the:

Engine Number
Chassis Number
Rego Plate
Colour
Seat type (about the only option you had)
Current Owner
Location
Mileage
Modifications

The register also keep photos and a CD can be provided to owners.

All the owners get a copy of the list.

Interestingly the register doesn't care about the owners - it's the car.

If you are going to buy a Clubsport you contact the register and ask "is this an original car and what's it's history?".

It's a great idea and helps to kill all the shonky Clubsport wannabies that are trying to sell a vehicle that simply isn't one.

Good luck with your venture!

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Mike
"He who dies with the most toys wins."

Hey watto,
I am looking to put a mk2 on historic plates.
Can you tell me what year you would place YG2S4 2285 ?
Cheers Ben.

I would guess the second half of 1970.

close Morrie, but I can do better than that.... it's a July '70 car

Gee Simon I thought you were better then that. I need to know what day and what time and whether it was painted by Bill or Macca!!
Just joking thanks for your PM.

I'm working on it.... but for now all I can say for sure is about 10 minutes before my car

I do in fact own one.
All I know is that they were very much a special order thing. I had heard that they were done for a price, and were for exec's of morris foriegn embassy type's.
To be honest I know very little about my car, and SimonK probably know's alot more than I do about it as he knew the person who sold it to the person I bought it off. One day I'll find out more.
Funny thing is, I bought it off here......

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There is a black Mk1 in Tassie too! Red interior, nice car.