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If it is VicRoads that decides such things we could be in for a bumpy ride as Minis seem to be more modified than your average classic car.


I might have to start hoarding 998 engines and clubman steering wheels!

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Just an another question,
For example, if I had a car on Club Rego through VMCi, can I go to events organized by any club in Victoria? Do I need to be a member of the other clubs?

Evan.


Under the current system the event has to be organised by one of the clubs participating in the club reg scheme - or on the calendar for VMCI. Not all of the classic car clubs take part in the scheme and some shows are run independently.

Under the new scheme, go where you like, when you like.

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Isn't/wasn't this new 90 day scheme supposed to go national? Should we hold our breath in NSW yet? :roll:

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I was really quite cynical, I never expected to see this come through into law. It's great news and someone out there need to be bought bought a beer.

Other states might need to watch and see the outcome before acting, but it's got to improve enforcement somehow, but I am yet to be convinced of how they will prove you are within the 90 days of your licence or not. It's sad to think that it will probably be rorted by goats in ex-taxi EB falcons once word gets out. Although they will need a club signature all the same to validate, where there is a need I am sure someone will rise to the challenge.

Sorry to be so negative, but that's what happens inthe big world...

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South Oz has had a 90 day system for years and it's brilliant as long as you've got a standard car.

i personally believe period mods should be allowed (ie bigger later model motor/brakes etc etc) but i also see the reason why they're not allowed as it comes down to the individual club rego inspector and there'd be too much discrepancy across clubs. there already is in south oz, i'm just trying to find the club that will historic rego my car!

It is a brilliant system but poorly policed, there's plenty of clowns out there who drive their car but don't record it in the logbook. i think there should be some sort of tag attached to the number plate which would allow the cops to know instantly that the vehicle is historic rego'd. Without any outward easily identified notification of the rego type, the owner may be tempted to drive unregistered (ie without logbooking the journey) and the cops won't know what vehicles to look at for logbooks...


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Log book Mick with numbered pages - you fill it out before you drive. If you don't fill it out and you are pulled over, then you are illegal. If you run out of pages, tough.

Keep in mind similar schemes operate in SA and NT without too many issues.

It will be interesting to see if the cost of a permit and/or insurance increases. At the moment four permits (4 different cars on 90 day permits is 360 days of motoring) is about $445.00. Considerably cheaper than full rego on one car. I expect that will change....

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paul_ewins wrote:
If it is VicRoads that decides such things we could be in for a bumpy ride as Minis seem to be more modified than your average classic car.


The same scheme applies to 'street rod' clubs. The guy down the road has cars on 'SR' plates. I can't see how they can tell you a classic car can't be put on club permit because it is modified, yet let street rodders through on the same permit.

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It will be interesting to see if the cost of a permit and/or insurance increases. At the moment four permits (4 different cars on 90 day permits is 360 days of motoring) is about $445.00. Considerably cheaper than full rego on one car. I expect that will change....


It will be 1/4 of the full registration in your area, as far as I know. Or an 1/8th for 45 days.

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drmini in aust wrote:
Isn't/wasn't this new 90 day scheme supposed to go national? Should we hold our breath in NSW yet? :roll:


Well after you go blue you'll start looking like one of the brudas, then you'll probably end up in a pine box. About the time the worms start having a feed this issue might appear on some bloody polititcians brain for a micro-second.......

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drmini in aust wrote:
Isn't/wasn't this new 90 day scheme supposed to go national? Should we hold our breath in NSW yet? :roll:


Well after you go blue you'll start looking like one of the brudas, then you'll probably end up in a pine box. About the time the worms start having a feed this issue might appear on some bloody polititcians brain for a micro-second.......
:idea: Lets all stomp our feet , cross our arms and frown, that l do it


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Careful, there's a tax up there for that..

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Poeee - it isn't really the same scheme at all. CH plates are intended for classic cars (over 25 years) in a fairly original state. SR plates are for street rods, built on pre 1946 chassis or a replica thereof, and built to a certain formula or standard. They're not a modified car in the conventional sense. A modified Mini can't be a Street Rod any more than it could be an historic tractor.

The CH scheme was intended for the pure restorer clubs, but we cover restorers, racers and (in essence) street machiners. We really push the boundaries of the type of car for which the scheme was intended (i.e. bog standard A40s, Mk7 Jags and FJ Holdens).

Here is the VicRoads list of permissible modifications:
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonl ... 0/VSI8.pdf

and the Street Rod build manual: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... t_rod.aspx

Interestingly, while swapping engines is covered by the VicRoads manual it doesn't seem to cover changing carbs or even heads.

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paul_ewins wrote:
Here is the VicRoads list of permissible modifications:
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonl ... 0/VSI8.pdf


That's the guide for full road rego, not Club Permit.

At the moment the level of modification allowed is up to the club. I know of heavily modified cars like V8 powered Celicas on H plates. I have been told by my club they could see no issues with approving a H plate on a Toyota-powered Moke, subject to proper inspections.

Also, I've seen modified Morris Minors and a 70's AMX Javelin on SR plates, so there does not seem to be an age cutoff there either.

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paul_ewins wrote:
Poeee - it isn't really the same scheme at all. CH plates are intended for classic cars (over 25 years) in a fairly original state. SR plates are for street rods, built on pre 1946 chassis or a replica thereof, and built to a certain formula or standard. They're not a modified car in the conventional sense. A modified Mini can't be a Street Rod any more than it could be an historic tractor.

The CH scheme was intended for the pure restorer clubs, but we cover restorers, racers and (in essence) street machiners. We really push the boundaries of the type of car for which the scheme was intended (i.e. bog standard A40s, Mk7 Jags and FJ Holdens).

Here is the VicRoads list of permissible modifications:
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonl ... 0/VSI8.pdf

and the Street Rod build manual: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... t_rod.aspx

Interestingly, while swapping engines is covered by the VicRoads manual it doesn't seem to cover changing carbs or even heads.


From vicroads website

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A club permit can be issued to the following vehicles in the following categories:

Veteran vehicles - manufactured before 1 January 1919
Vintage vehicles - manufactured after 31 December 1918 and before 1 January 1931
Classic & Historic vehicles manufactured after 31 December 1930, but more than 25 years before the date of the application for a club permit.
These categories can include trailers and modified vehicles such as street rods. Vehicles which are replicas of vehicles in the above categories may also be issued with a club permit.


From what that says, a street rod simply has to be over 25 years old?

Meh, either way, my Mini will always have an A Series engine...

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paul_ewins wrote:
A modified Mini can't be a Street Rod any more than it could be an historic tractor.


BMC did build an A series tractor........... :lol:


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I'm looking into this again, now looking at cost. Has anyone had anything to do with the permits recently?

Unregistered Vehicle Permit - $??

Roadworthy Certificate - $ ~75?

Club Rego - $113.60?

Other costs?


Thanks, Evan.

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