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is he welcome?
yes 59%  59%  [ 22 ]
no 41%  41%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 37
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:19 am 
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Seems to be more peolpe supporting Maxx than not, i only really hear 1 voice trying to keep him down.


Judging by the poll above, there is more than just one. Maybe only one that'd bother to actually post anything in reply to all of you loyal followers and minions, but more than one against his return most definitely.

Either way, the voices mean nothing - you can't vote to have someone back where the choice isn't up to you.

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Danny wrote:
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I don't give a crap.

This is (was) an automotive discussion forum, not a gossip club sleepover.



I know I started this thread but.... yeah..... +1 :lol:


you obviously care enough to pm to let me know about this thread. :lol: :lol:


Campaigning for votes through PMs hey Phat Kat? :roll:

I still don't understand the purpose of this thread, nor the other one.

There are some pretty indesputable facts at play here:
** When we sign up here, we agree to abide by the forum rules at all times
** Maxx decided to abide by some of those rules some of the time, and in direct contravention of them most of the time
** The moderators are charged with taking care of this place and have the power to delete posts and threads at their discretion - we agree to this when we sign up
** After years of picking fights, insulting other members, acting to inflame other members spamming threads and multiple warnings and temporary bans, max forced the moderators hand and they banned him permanently.
** Ausmini is not a democracy. We don't vote in moderators or vote on whether or not banned members should come back.

You could probably also assume that at this point the actions of the moderators have the support of Scott, the forum owner. I wonder if all this bullshlt would still be going on if Scott was still a regular poster here?

PK, you commented in your PM to me that your only concern is that Max was banned and others who you deem to be troublemakers haven't.
It's my contention that we shouldn't be allowing all the trash and crap and trouble makers and w4nkers back to run the forum into the ground - the place is better off without them. Encourage our moderators to keep the place clean and enjoyable and support them in improving the forum - don't try to cut their legs out from underneath them because you don't like the decision that was made (and one that doesn't directly affect you).

I said it somewhere else, but I'll say it again - if Max has an issue and fails to understand the consequences of his actions, he shoudln't be writing sob story letters to the forum trying to make excuses for his behaviour, he should be making contact with the moderators and Scott and pleading his case to them.



Ok, I didn't reply to your last message because it was apparent that you were only looking for a fight, and after reading this, I'm going to say that it appears I was right.

I PM'd 2 people Danny, yourself and Ryan. And I wasn't campaigning for anything. I was trying to offer you, Danny, some balance.







Further more, AS I SAID WHEN YOU ASKED ME VIA PM the purpose of this thread was only to gain clarity... If he really is as hated and unwelcome as you say he is, then the numbers will speak for themselves and there will be nothing to argue about.



I was polite, courteous, and honest with you Danny, so what the hell is your problem? You talk about "enjoying civility on the forum" and you carry on with this crap?
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This was meant to be a survey to gauge how people feel about bringing back mini maxx/not bringing back mini maxx, not a punch up. Take your malcontent somewhere else.


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That letter was only written and published as emotional blackmail to those who banned him. Using any kind of disability as an excuse for flying off the handle is pathetic and weak, no matter how genuine the disability. Sure the guy hasn't had an easy life, but then no one has, right? Not everyone feels the need to tell the entire bank of forum users about their personal life, and i'm sure that there are a lot of things that people don't know about a lot of forum users.
Blaming what he did on a disability and a drug problem just go to show that Max still hasn't taken responsibility for his actions.
Do we want people here who can't control themselves and them blame their inability to behave like a normal human being on something else?


Dany mate you need to pull ya head in. He admitted he did wrong and took responsibility for it. You really have no idea about people with disabilities. They often act now and then think later. What they do seems right there and then and then they realise "oh maybe i shouldna done that" and then others cant help the way they respond to certain situations.

You have no idea. I as a school teacher have worked with kids with disabilites and problems, and when they swear at me sure its not appropriate, but do i blame them? sometimes yes but other times no, its that they cant help it, its there automatic response. If somebody annoys them and theen they respond harshly - do i blame the kid? no, they were provoked and part of their disability is is this.

I also know people who cannot spell and they act now rather than thinking of the consequences, because of an accident they had. Then when they post on here they get bagged for it, is it there fault no.

Maxx has realised what he did wrong and has apoligised and gave an explanation (which was not necessary) as to help us understand as to why he gets agitated sometimes and responds the way he does. He wasnt blaming the situation but rather giving information of contributory factors.

What more do you want?

Now Pull ya head in because your comments arent needed

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Dany mate you need to pull ya head in. He admitted he did wrong and took responsibility for it. You really have no idea about people with disabilities. They often act now and then think later. What they do seems right there and then and then they realise "oh maybe i shouldna done that" and then others cant help the way they respond to certain situations.
First, you are in absolutely no position to presume to know anything about me or my family or my personal situation.

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You have no idea. I as a school teacher have worked with kids with disabilites and problems, and when they swear at me sure its not appropriate, but do i blame them? sometimes yes but other times no, its that they cant help it, its there automatic response. If somebody annoys them and theen they respond harshly - do i blame the kid? no, they were provoked and part of their disability is is this.
He's not a school kid. He's an adult with adult children of his own.

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Maxx has realised what he did wrong and has apoligised and gave an explanation (which was not necessary) as to help us understand as to why he gets agitated sometimes and responds the way he does. He wasnt blaming the situation but rather giving information of contributory factors

The thing, he DIDN'T apologise until he was banned. He DIDN'T see anything wrong in his actions until he was banned. The countless warnings and temporary bans should have been enough to make anyone stop and think twice before they started writing stuff like he did, but in the end it took until he was finally removed completely that he realised something was wrong? Puh-lease :roll:

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What more do you want?
For his minions to look at the truth and realise that their leader isn't perfect :roll:
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The same could be said for yours - You're the one making the personal attacks here........


PK.........I apologise. I gathered from Ryan's post that were more than just the two PMs being sent - my mistake.
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I was polite, courteous, and honest with you Danny, so what the hell is your problem?
I was only ever polite and honest with you and I have no problem with you. My post (aside from your first comment) didn't attack you, and it wasn't about you. It was about max - the topic of this thread. You seem to take exception with my opinion and the facts offered - then don't attack me, attack the content of the post. At this point no-one is disagreeing with anything that I've written.

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They say that you can't make a fanatic see reason, and it's fairly obvious that these threads have more than their fair share of blind fanatics.

I'm not going to beat my head against the wall and pretend like pointing out the bleedingly obvious is going to make a difference, because it quite obviously hasn't and won't.

For that reason, and because I've made my stance here pretty clear, I'm not going to post in this thread again.
For those of you spewing vitriol and hurling insults around, take a minute and look at the facts...........like it or not your innocent angel has broken the rules repeatedly and continously since his arrival, he's finally been banned permanently. I think you'd agree that if it was me that had been banned, not a single one of you would be standing here protesting my innocence and insisting I be allowed back.

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Danny wrote:
The thing, he DIDN'T apologise until he was banned.


Hey Danny,

Truely, I wish no quaral with you, especially over this matter.

Just a small point though, if I may, he did actually apologise before or at about the time of his ban, it's just that he had no way of getting it on here.

I have no issue with you putting you point forward & you have had a fair bit to say, fair enough. I think we have all read this and I'm sure that most, if not all, of us understand your position on this matter. Whislt many of us may not agree with you particular view, I think it fair to say we respect your view.

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No worries Danny.

Its impossible to get along with everyone you meet. So no one's going to hold it against you if you simply couldn't stand the guy (and anyone who tries to is just kidding themselves).



I think that all of the banter surrounding the issue of whether or not it was or was not the right thing to kick Mini Maxx out aside... one thing everyone can agree on, is that everyone is sick of seeing these issues come up all the time. As cush said earlier in this thread, isn't this meant to be a forum for disgusing mini's? Regardless of where you stand on the matter of Mini Maxx's membership, I think both "sides" are sick of logging on here and rushing back to these threads to see who's said what about who.



I started this poll as means of providing a clear picture on whether or not Mini Maxx is welcome. Of course people who are his friends are going to have trouble taking an objective stance on this, like wise, the people who wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire are going to have trouble seeing the trees from the forest. Numbers don't lie. A lot of people are taking rosie coloured views on what transpired (on both sides), so by having a poll, we can stop kidding oursleves and take a look at the numbers.

This wasn't an excuse for a fight, it was a means of throwing a bucket of water over the events of the last couple of weeks. So again I ask everyone (as per the opening post), please be civil :)


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Well everyone who needs to chill out a little bit can now chill out a little bit.

There's been a long discussion in admin by the forum owner and mods on the where and whyfores of Maxx. The deadline was to be this evening, and by sometime XXXXX (?) we will have a decision.

Whatever happens will be the end of it. I will help to make sure that it is. Anything which occurs otherwise is not helpful to the forum, and works against the goodwill of all those who contribute to the place in a meaningful way.

If you're not on board with the goals of Ausmini, then you're simply not welcome to post other than to browse from outside the fence.

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