Blasphemy! thou shall not taint the good name that is KMX!

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Lillee - 1969 Morris Mini K

The only thing I'd use $20 Castrol oil for is flushing the old KMX out

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Simon

The adventures of an owner builder in the Tallarook Ranges

I noticed they now sell 4L KMX @ $16 too

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Lillee - 1969 Morris Mini K

its amazing the kmx thing, i have heard it is castrol, but then you hear so many things.

It was all started by graham russell, then as soon as people on ausmini found out GOD was using it, they started spruiking it, and you can bet every time someone mentions oil KMX will be vigorously recommended.

i even see it on other forums, word is getting around!

i've lost count of how many "what oil" threads there are, isnt there a sticky to stop people asking?

No, no, no......No sticky! It's always fun when the oil issue comes around.
Some people are emotionally less attached to their missus then to their oil.

But it is actually good? I've tried them all too, Castrol Edge 25W50 is the other one that is good but at twice the price. Logic says if it's cheap, it's good and it's proven, people will recommend it?

What is the alternative scenario? it's cheap, it works, it's proven to work but DON'T buy it?

I'm confused

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Lillee - 1969 Morris Mini K

Yes I agree.
I use it...far more knowledgeable people use it, so it's good enough for me.
Very few people could categorically prove one oil over another.
What is amusing/interesting is that people in general will go to their deathbed believing the marketing surrounding any brand name product.
When a marketing group sits down to figure out how to "place" a product to
convince the average mug to buy it, THEY DO NOT concern themselves with the truth but they spend most of their time thinking up catchy phrases and who to sponsor and where to run the adds. The rest of the time convincing stores to stock it. And the legal guys then check to make sure they cannot get sued for false advertising.
Marketing is there for no other reason then to con you and make you feel good about yourself Look at those turkeys that cover their windows with stickers and those that proudly wear the brand names all over themselves.
Marketing talks about "perceived advantages"....that gobbly gook for "How can we convince you to buy this crap and make you feel good about yourself"
It's the same process whether it's your breakfast cereal, nut bar or oil for your car AND YOU WILL PAY A PREMIUM FOR IT even if it's an inferior product.
Make a stand against marketing, buy "unbranded" products that are good, even superior when available.

Thanks for listening.

MG

Good call. Most marketing is hype, nothing more.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

So why are you so against it?

Many people use it, no one has had an issue with it even after all the recommendations on here.

There are test reports and analysis of KMX that have been done to prove how good it is.

It specifically states on the packaging that it is suitable for Turbo cars, and despite the marketing fluff they would get sued otherwise if it couldn't stand up to that punishment.

As said, Good, Cheap and proven by many individuals to keep oil pressure when hot and reduce or remove any traces of mayo.

Maybe you don't like the idea of putting non-branded oil in your engine despite all evidence pointing to it outperforming brand name oils?

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Starlet Conversion:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15484

Thread revival.

Has anyone had their oil tested? Like a sample taken and sent for proper lab testing?

Just curious.

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I'm not against Castrol Australia, I do use their 85/140LSX in steering racks and their Magnatec 10W40 in the AU Fraud.
But, I notice now it's not even made here, but in Malaysia...

As regards oil testing, I just go for a fast freeway run with the A series and no oil cooler. If I still have 70psi at 2500rpm when I've slowed down, it is GOOD oil.
Yes, KMX and Castrol Edge 25W/50 = pass.
Nope, Castrol GTX and GTX2 20W/50 = fail.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

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Has anyone had their oil tested? Like a sample taken and sent for proper lab testing

Funny you bring this up GT, i have thought about it before but have never done it to any of my car or boat engines . I'm sure that a proper test of your engine oil would reveal a very interesting story of what your engine is up to .

It certainly can. I've had quite a few Diesel Engines done and if there is a history of the engine and all the oil tests it can tell a 'good' story. I'm not about to say any oil is good or bad. I used to use BP Corse + but well and truely NLA. I hear mixed things regarding Castrol and my own experience with it has suggested that it is OK for pottering about town but I haven't tries ay of their 'performance' oils either.

Doc, I hear what you say regarding the 'freeway' test and can show very quickly if the oil has viscosity, but there are a lot of other factors that I am looking at & for, as I say, I'm not looking to discredit any oil, just find a good one.

If anyone here has a recorded hstory of their engine and oil(s) they have been using during it's life and would like to learn from that (as do I) then I will put the offer out there is they wish to provide a sample (and I can supply oil sample containers) then I'll get them tested, but this will ONLY be valid and worthwhile IF we have a definite know engine history.

<EDIT> In looking for a good Oil (and there are many) I'm actually meaning a good oil for our Mini's

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i used to use woolworths el-cheapo oil & add a bottle of STP,,, road or race was fantastic

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Taken from a post on MM forum-

From the MiniForum:

Keith Calver says, "As of now, practically no modern off-the-shelf, commercially produced oil is suitable for a Mini A series engine/gearbox with all the correct additives".
Apparently the situation has worsened recently with the removal of additives by all major oil manufacturers to allow the service life of modern catalytic converters to reach up to 150,000 miles after vehicle manufacturers have leaned on them to remove any substances that would foreshorten this extended service life. So some chemicals that were essential for older style engines, to protect against component wear, particularly where the cam and followers, piston rings and bores and valve guides are concerned, have been removed from standard motor oil. An early sign of the problem was a surprising number of MG Metro cams and cam followers showing excessive wear when Rover specified Unipart Semi-Synthetic oil some years back and this is now being seen again on more recent SPi and MPi Mini engines with relatively low mileages. Modern engines don't suffer as overhead cams have eliminated a whole swathe of the components used in older push-rod operated equipped engines, along with greater precision and modern metals and surface treatments making their components more resilient.

The good news for SPi and MPi Mini owners is he has found that the very few specialist oils left with good additives for Mini engines don't seem to harm the catalytic converters fitted to these Minis too much.

(Torco oils are mentioned as being one of them)

(Full article on pages 106 to 111 in Jan 2011 Mini Magazine)

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.