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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:25 pm 
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Karcraft and others carry the Cooper S block fitting nipple, which is 5/8 UNF x 1/2 BSPP.


Bum, Karcraft have no stock and no ETA.

Give me your address and I'll post you a brass one.. :wink:

Might just have to take you up on that! I'm on the road tomorrow, back in the city I used to live so will drop by a place I've used before, see if I can get any more sense out of them. If not, I may be in touch :wink:

I guess I'm not understanding some of this thread size stuff. The block thread is 5/8 UNC, and it measures 5/8" by my tired eye, so how can you cut a 5/8" thread from a 3/8? It's smaller! Also the filter housing end is 1/4 BSP, but looks more like 1/2 to me....

Think I'll stick to my day job.....


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BSP and NPT threads are sized not by their actual diameter, but the ID of the pipe they are used on.
So, a 1/4" BSP thread is actually about .515" diameter.

Same with 3/8 BSP, it's about 1mm bigger than 5/8".

As for thread pitch, 3/8 BSP is 19TPI, and 5/8 UNF is 18 TPI. Very close.

So, I can turn the 3/8 BSP down about 1mm to 5/8" diameter, run a 5/8 UNF die down it in the lathe and the result is flawless. None of the BSP threads remain.

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I dont want to be a nay sayer but it seems like alot of mucking around for something so simple. Just fit another pipe back on, if you want one ill send you one, I have about 800 of them.

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Pay dirt! On a bit of a tip off from a mate at work I stopped off at an old school engineering/hydraulic shop after work. Place closed up but the boys were out the back having a yak.
Showed them the pipe, specifically the block end and he says no, not available off the shelf but "we'll just take a 3/8 BSP and cut it back to 5/8 UNC...no worries". Then gave me all the parts to take home so I could measure the exact length of hose. Including a 90 degree bend to decide if I want to come straight off the block or turn. He's on the beers list 8)


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I dont want to be a nay sayer but it seems like alot of mucking around for something so simple. Just fit another pipe back on, if you want one ill send you one, I have about 800 of them.


Main reason for me is I have a machined alloy filter head with no pressure valve in it, and the thread to take the oil pipe is further away from the block exit than standard. I could TRY straightening the standard pipe to gain some length but then the dizzy comes into play. Secondary reason if I'm honest is aesthetics.


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Just wondering on what filter head you are using.

Post a pic of your hose when you get it done and the suppliers info as I need to get one made up

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smac wrote:
Pay dirt! On a bit of a tip off from a mate at work I stopped off at an old school engineering/hydraulic shop after work. Place closed up but the boys were out the back having a yak.
Showed them the pipe, specifically the block end and he says no, not available off the shelf but "we'll just take a 3/8 BSP and cut it back to 5/8 UNC...no worries". Then gave me all the parts to take home so I could measure the exact length of hose. Including a 90 degree bend to decide if I want to come straight off the block or turn. He's on the beers list 8)


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I dont want to be a nay sayer but it seems like alot of mucking around for something so simple. Just fit another pipe back on, if you want one ill send you one, I have about 800 of them.


Main reason for me is I have a machined alloy filter head with no pressure valve in it, and the thread to take the oil pipe is further away from the block exit than standard. I could TRY straightening the standard pipe to gain some length but then the dizzy comes into play. Secondary reason if I'm honest is aesthetics.

I hepe he makes it 5/8 UNF, not UNC- or it won't fit..... :shock:

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drmini in aust wrote:
I hepe he makes it 5/8 UNF, not UNC- or it won't fit..... :shock:


Whoops, yep, typo. Threads on the brain. He has the banjo bolt so no problem there.

Will do Bernard. Will take a pic of the filter head tomorrow. I actually got it off an ausmini member but I forget who.
Just need to faff about and decide if I want to use the 90 degree turn. I see the doc's goes straight out and across the dizzy but I still have a vacuum unit which is kinda in the way. The 90 degree bend might take the hose right across the top of the dizzy stalk.


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Thanks

Right angle out of the block would be the best option, when I priced up the bits to do the right angel set up where very exspensive..

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Filter head:
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Right angle:
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Not 100% sure yet about putting the right angle in there - because the filter end is kinda far out from the block (on either the aftermarket or the original) the hose would probably rest/rub against the vacuum unit. Not ideal. The alternative is go straight, but then need to run it right out over the vacuum, and end up with quite a tight angle back at the filter.
Any ideas are welcome...[/i]


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The right angle connects to the block and a straight to the filter is that what you where planning.

Thanks for the pic of the filter housing.


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kiwiinwgtn wrote:
The right angle connects to the block and a straight to the filter is that what you where planning.

Yup. Need to find a bit of garden hose to find the best route
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Actually had a thought about the vacuum on the dizzy.....could always just spin the dizzy 180 degrees.....


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I would pull the dizzy, then turn the dizzy drive shaft a tooth or two, and rotate dizzy body to suit, this will put the vacuum can in a better position.

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Just went into the local hydraulic place to look at replacing a kinked pipe with a hose. Figured no big deal, there's been plenty of discussion on here about it.

..Oh and push lock hoses seem to be devils work according to them.....maybe I just chose the wrong place to try?


Doing some browsing in regards to the oil pipe.
I wanted to confirm that 1/2" oil hose is fine to run instead of a standard oil pipe or braided hose?

I have spare hose and fittings at home from previous oil cooler plans and was wondering if I could just chop it up and run it with no problems??

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Just went into the local hydraulic place to look at replacing a kinked pipe with a hose. Figured no big deal, there's been plenty of discussion on here about it.

..Oh and push lock hoses seem to be devils work according to them.....maybe I just chose the wrong place to try?


Doing some browsing in regards to the oil pipe.
I wanted to confirm that 1/2" oil hose is fine to run instead of a standard oil pipe or braided hose?

I have spare hose and fittings at home from previous oil cooler plans and was wondering if I could just chop it up and run it with no problems??

I would not rely on a bit of `oil hose' and a couple of clamps, do it properly with the Pirtek bits I listed above. If your unspecified pressure hose bursts all the engine's lifeblood is gone.

The Pirtek return line hose pictured is rated at 500psi. And it's practically kinkproof.
edit] the end fittings are 1/2" BSP so they also fit onto a 13 or 9 row cooler. Just make an extra hose...

Hose looks like this:
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pic take on GR's engine dyno.

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The fittings I have are 1/2" bsp push on fittings from enzed. They'd be the same as pirtek type wouldn't they?

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