If he died why did he call the photo "My first car, I bent it slightly"

lol

On a serious note I am glad that the owner of the crumpled mini is ok.

I think another consideration is that most accidents are a result of undue care and attention, checking over your shoulder to cover your blindspot is not easy with a cage..... Carter, it is these sorts of things you will find out when you get your licence, things that are not discovered in hill climbs and are very much a part of learning to drive!

Oh i stole it off a group for crashed and wrecked minis and i was told that the owner died. Oops obviously i made a mistake. My appologies.

But... If he did have a cage the results of that accident would have been far less.

OOps making claims without having the facts.



I rolled mine and it pulled up well. nothing wrong with me

You shouldnt be "learning to drive" doing hill climbs, a better option as said is motorkhanas on dirt or tar.

I have never heard of anyone dying from a roll-over in a mini, has anyone??

Carter your like a 16yr old kid arguing with lads who have been racing before you were born, lads that have been with mini's long before you were even thought of. Long before i was even thoght of.

I have to agree that in a road car you are much much more likely to be hit from the sides, front or rear meaning your head is going to swing with force in a certain direction, meaning your goign to smash your head into a pole.

I wouldnt bother with a rollbar, not for a road car

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The only reason I'd consider any cage for the road is for side impact protection. Ask BALLISTIC about his smash during the Asparagus Run a couple of years ago, and whether he or the car would have survived without his cage...

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The adventures of an owner builder in the Tallarook Ranges

Brenton sure there are circumstances where you come off well. Look what you rolled on aswell, softish dirt. When your mum has a truck merge into her lane at 110km/h and as his wheels hits the side of the car and launch it 6 feet into the air and it slams down onto the bitumen at such a force that the whole car crumpled around the cage. Without that cage she wouldnt be alive today. She had to wear the full metal neck brace (the one drilled into your skull for 12 months. That 1275LS was knackered. So before you dismiss me as just a 16 year old kid that knows nothing take into account that i do know(kinda) what i am talking about when it comes to safety. As people have said, a good cage shouldnt be near your head in a road car. And seeing as my dad raced minis for about 20 years and his close mates raced them for even longer i do understand the principles of saftey in a road/race car.

Brenton im not having a go but i stand very firmly on this topic.

You are making the mistake of thinking your head stays in the same place in an accident. Seats bend, seatbelts stretch and break. Arms and legs go everywhere.

I don't think anyone is dismissing you, but it is not as black and white as you think. That is why car manufactures are not fitting rollcages as standard in cars.

Steve , ( CARTER_GT ) can i please give you some constructive critisism ?
Mate, unfortunately some of your replies come across as being very arrogant and smart arsed to people reading . You seem to get very defensive and over opinionated
on subjects to do with motorsport , and mini's in general ( at times ) . I applaud you for your efforts and enthusiasum in your competition exploits , ie: hillclimbs motokhana's and such , good on you for having a chance to have a crack at it , but mate, unfortunately it does not make you an expert on the subject . Sometimes you need to refrain from making rash replies to other peoples comments , because you end up up getting offside with them .
Your replies would be better accepted if you took a bit of time , and put a bit more thought into what you are trying to say re: the subject at hand .
I hope you don't take offence at my comments , it's just the way i 've been seeing it .

Wouldnt a well padded roll cage be less invasive to the persons body than lots of other parts of the vehicle, like roof, window sills etc?????

I think one of the points people are trying to make, is that:

In an accident that does not require a cage to save your life, ie. Being rear ended, the cage could infact hinder your chances of survival.

If the car is hit, the rigid structure of the car holds up, and the energy is transferred into anything not tied down. This means you (Sure, seatbelt is on, but you still have a lot of movement)
So, when you get flung around, you're likely to hit your head on the cage.

So, it's a catch 22.

Rear ender, you hit your head and sustain damage

Flip the car, cage saves you.

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In a rear ender the cage can move forward because the rear supports get pushed from behind.
So when your head and seat are moving back the hoop is moving forward...

yay this is like me when i was 16, everyone jump on the hate train..

i think the topic has gone beyond help with the cage subject, both parties are making good points, i think for me anyway, i dont want to have an accident in my car and a cage would make me feel safer.. maybe i wouldnt be though.. who knows until the time comes..

the other thing that is giving me the sh!ts is people saying motorkhanas are the greatest driving challenge ever and that hillclimbs and sprints arent and wont teach you to drive.. really? like neither of them are spectacular but i learnt everything in hillclimbs..

i feel that motorkhanas are not really exploring the true limits of a car (and dont say you do..) and the only thing i could pull from it as a skill builder is getting a good feel for using pedals and the handbrake and linking that all together but i havnt used the handbrake yet when ive been heading down the freeway at 110 so il have to wait for that oppertunity.

but, shock horror, after starting in hillclimbs and building my skills without any help i can now drive cars including feeling the grip limit of a car at speed, heel toe downshifting, decision making (at speed) and avoidence skills (at speed) and it obviously did something right, what it did was give me a controlled environment in which to go and try and learn which has now stopped me from trying to learn on the road and killing someone..

i know im arcing up over nothing but it just annoys me alot when it helped me so much

started reading this thread when it was constructive, gave up somewhere around page 2

has anyone suggested the op should just get a volvo for safety?!