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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:45 pm 
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Greetings All.
Putting in three gauges. Oil and Temp are easy.

I also have an Amp gauge. It only has two connections. A positive and a negative. Instructions lists several type of cars, but nothing similar to Mini.

It says if in doubt, use 8g wire. I went to JayCar and 8g wire was almost as thick as a toaster (240) lead? No way would it fit into a crimp.
Anyhow - Can someone in the know tell me where the + and - wires should be connected?

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Alex.

PS: Running 850 w/generator.


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The trouble with an `ammeter' (yes correct spelling) is they have to carry ALL the battery current, except for the starter.
This means BIG cables as you found, and under the dash they create a FIRE risk if you get a hot joint.
Personally I would fit a Voltmeter instead, as they are more useful for battery condition. And as they just sense the battery voltage and so only carry milliamps, thin wires are fine for hookup. MUCH safer behind the dash.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:26 pm 
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Thanks DrMini.
Electrics is one of my weak points. I presumed it just took a signal / pulse somehow, bit in-line is risky stuff. I'll swap it for a volt meter in da morning.

I only wanted the temp and pressure, but having three holes in my (home made) dash, I opted for the ammeter. (dumb choice)

I was gonna grab a clock but they were a lot dearer! Couldn't afford SMITHS either!!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:18 pm 
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This is a tricky proposition to get right, but isn't difficult to fit with a few precautions and a little bit of a wiring map..

Ammeters can be useful, they can tell you things the voltmeter might not..like a failing battery consuming charge constantly, an alternator (or more likely a generator) which is not keeping up with the demands of the car's lights and accessories. Good for people using large stereos in their car for instance. A drained battery won't drop in volts drastically until it is pretty much flat.
Good connections are made with a little care, and as Dr Mini says hot joints are a threat. Simply solder the terminals, use the same sized wires as the ones supplied, and you can avoid the drama.

An ammeter is wired in series, the terminals aren't +ve and -ve as you would think, but the polarity you wire them in is still of importance. It works a bit like a flow meter showing the direction of current flow down a particular wire. So in essence, you cut the wire, connect the ammeter to the two bared ends and away you go. The direction of flow may be reversed by connecting the terminals the wrong way showing a discharge when the battery is charging, but this is the extent of the embuggerance. Flip the wires to change the indication direction and that is all.

Wire it between +ve 12 volts and ground, and you will have a dead short! Lots of smoke, red hot glowing wires and excitement! So don't ever consider doing this.

Wiring it correctly is easy, making it truly useful needs a little thought. If you wire it between the alternator and the solenoid, and you will only ever see +ve current flow as the alternator operates.
Wire it between the solenoid and the fuse panel and you will only ever see -ve flow as the car's electrics draw current from the battery. So in both cases only half the ammeter's full ability will ever be used.

The ideal ammeter connection sits in line with the battery cable, it will tell you if the battery is being drained or charged, and it can also tell you if the battery is never seeing full charge and is therefore failing. It will tell you if the alternator is broken or if the car is using more than the alternator can supply. It's not a glamorous gauge in use like a temp, oil pressure or rev gauge, because if the car is working absolutely normal, the battery is charged and is in good shape, then it will simply point to zero all day long after the battery has been recharged to 12 volts some time after start up.

To wire it in for this role, you can't just put it in series on the battery cable. The cable is too big, and the starter motor drains 100 amps on start up. To get the same outcome however, you wire the large brown wire from the alternator (normally going to the battery side of the solenoid) to the back of the ammeter using the +ve terminal if it is marked.

There is another brown wire which runs from the solenoid to the fuses, replace this with a wire which runs from this same terminal on the ammeter and connect this to the fuses.

You run another equal sized cable from the second terminal on the ammeter back to the battery post on the solenoid from which you disconnected the alternator wire a moment ago..


After all this, do a test without the engine running. Turn on the head lights. The ammeter should swing to show a negative current. If it shows positive, then swap the wires on the back of the ammeter over. It will then swing to show a positive for a charging current to the battery, and a negative for a draining current.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:39 pm 
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WOW. I got brain strain trying to take that all in. Thanks heaps for the explaination, it sounds logical when you know how it all works.

However, I'm thinking I should have gone Volts gauge. All I need to know is the Generators doing its job. While it makes sense in your reply, the local fire station is two miles away, too far if I get it wrong.

I'll revisit the shop in the morning.

Appretiate your time.

Alex.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:13 pm 
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Yeah, I can understand that. Ammeters are more hard core to fit, and you really need to understand what you are looking at to know what they are trying to tell you... They are great if you love lots of gauges however..

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