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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:45 pm 
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thats brilliant dude!

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I bet ya did all that one night and drove it to Sydney the next day?

You have some mad skills mr Kerr.

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Madness, but awesome!

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poeee wrote:
I bet ya did all that one night and drove it to Sydney the next day?


haha - not quite - I've been slowly getting it together since September-ish

still haven't driven it, maybe later on tonight

I have a khanacross this weekend though - Mt Beauty speedway - remember this? (fast forward to 0:43 for a chuckle)


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Rip the hand brake if I recall?

Where does the MAP sensor go? Before the injectors?

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MAP sensor would go on the manifold being after the blower.


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Simon well done there mate :P

Having seen these conversions, both in the early stages, They have come up awesome. In particular, I really respect that you've done all this on a super slim shoe string budget. The talent (and time!) can make up for the $$.

Great work :D

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poeee wrote:
Rip the hand brake if I recall?


nah, just a lack of ability - I think the tail got light and I let go of the throttle or something

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Where does the MAP sensor go? Before the injectors?


and yep, as Matt said, the MAP sensor is in the hot side manifold, I've just put a T piece in the line that goes to the megajolt

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Simon well done there mate

thanks GT, I do like doing things on zero budget, it lets me be creative :D


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That's excellent and is exactly what Michaelb needs to cure hs frozen inlet tube issue.

You hinted that a megasquirt would give you sequential control. I haven't taken any notice of megasquirt development for the 3 years since I bought mine but I don't think mine is capable of sequential injection.

If you do decide to port inject you'll need to be able to trim when in the cycle the injector fires differently for inside and outside cylinders so you can minimise charge robbing. In my searching 4-5 years ago very few ECUs had the capability to individually trim each injector's pulse adequately. The cost of an ECU that had the right capability and my lack of fabricating skill is what made me park that project.

Do you have an inlet air temp sensor in the hot side manifold too? If you do (I reckon you need one) then when you get a megasquirt on it I would be VERY interested to see a log of inlet temperature versus boost pressure over a series of power runs. That would give a clue as to the efficiency of these SC12 blowers and their heat soak over consecutive runs.

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Mokesta wrote:
That's excellent and is exactly what Michaelb needs to cure hs frozen inlet tube issue.


I have some awesome photos of my carb & intake covered with ice - it doesn't even have to be that cold. When it's chilly and there's a lot of moisture in the air, going along the freeway is just like having cruise control :lol:

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You hinted that a megasquirt would give you sequential control. I haven't taken any notice of megasquirt development for the 3 years since I bought mine but I don't think mine is capable of sequential injection.

If you do decide to port inject you'll need to be able to trim when in the cycle the injector fires differently for inside and outside cylinders so you can minimise charge robbing. In my searching 4-5 years ago very few ECUs had the capability to individually trim each injector's pulse adequately. The cost of an ECU that had the right capability and my lack of fabricating skill is what made me park that project.


Since version 3 CPU, megasquirts do now have the ability to run full sequential out of the box with the addition of a cam angle sensor. They've become popular on turbominis, and they appear to be having success with it. I am setting up a MS3 right now for a fella to run a chev motor with sequential gas injection - certainly does have all of the sequential controls and individual injector angle & timings.

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/inde ... 16587&fr=0

Once you have the sequential bit under control, it seems all you need to do to deal with the siamese charge robbing issue is to make the injectors really big, then do really short squirts.

Somehow I got the feeling that DOZ on here is already using it with his turbo setup, but can't find any details

A fella named Jean Belanger in Canada has a software modification to run full sequential, specifically for siamese ports using MS CPU version 2.

http://jbperf.com/sequential/index.html

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Do you have an inlet air temp sensor in the hot side manifold too? If you do (I reckon you need one) then when you get a megasquirt on it I would be VERY interested to see a log of inlet temperature versus boost pressure over a series of power runs. That would give a clue as to the efficiency of these SC12 blowers and their heat soak over consecutive runs.

M


I don't have an air temp sensor on the hot side, to be honest, I'd forgotten all about the IAT until it came time to install it :oops: so it's just stuck in the top of the air cleaner box. I had all of the sensors hooked up to the Haltech months and months ago, checked they all worked and then put them back in a box... found it again on Friday and went "oh crap"

I looked for places to put it in the intake manifold, but there isn't a lot of room. Next time I have the manifold off I'll weld in a boss for it, and I'll design it into the next version.

The Haltech has a bit of data logging, so I should be able to see the temperature v's boost even without MS. I'm very interested to see it too


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Very interesting. Thanks for the links too. You sure have done your research.


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I went for a drive with the gas analyser tonight, not bad, but not great... really do need the dyno time

After a bit of a drive, I filled it up both tanks with fuel and went back to the workshop. I pulled up and my mate said "there's fuel pissing out everywhere", and sure enough, there was fuel absolutely gushing out of the left hand tank's breather tube, I took the cap off and it was overflowing. Took the cap off the left hand tank and it was half empty...

Took me a second to realise what had happened - I put the return line into the top of the left hand tank, but the pump draws from both tanks, so it's basically emptying the right hand tank into the left hand tank - doofus

For the time being, I think I'll just only put fuel in the right hand tank, and try to only have them half full. Shouldn't overflow that way. Maybe I'll put a tap in the fuel line from the right hand tank and use it for a reserve when the left gets low. Or maybe think about where I can put a swirl pot, though I wanted to avoid it


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What is the gas analyser you use? I wouldn't mind getting one so would like to hear about yours.

And i didn't say it before so i'll say it now. AWESOME work.


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mini_mad_matt wrote:
What is the gas analyser you use? I wouldn't mind getting one so would like to hear about yours.


it's an Innovate LM2, I borrow it off my guru. I wouldn't buy one the same one, I'm sure it's a lot cleverer than what we (my guru and I) do with it, but I reckon it's limited for the amount it cost.

Andrew (ahf001) has one of his own, as does jb007, who bought his as a kit. I think that's the way I'd go if I bought one

Actually - I did a search, looks like they both have the same one. Resurrect this thread, because I want to discuss them too: http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63746

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And i didn't say it before so i'll say it now. AWESOME work.


thanks ;)


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