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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:12 pm 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
I have asked the Tyre and Rim Association of Australia for a clarification about tubes and tubeless tyres on these rims.
After looking though the Tyre and Rim Association of Australia Standards Manual it appears that 10" wheels are not supposed to have a J section anyway.
The approved rim contours for 165/70R10 tyres are 4.00B, 4.50B, 5.00B, 5.50B. (not a J in sight!)

Tubeless truck wheels don't have locking beads. :wink:


Cooper S rims here were a 4.5J, but 3.5" wide Mini 10" wheels are 3.5B.
I used to widen S wheels for Parramatta Speed Shop back in the 60s, using a parted off 3.5B outer rim. It was a PITA rolling the well of the 3.5B rim down by 1/8" to match the parted off S wheel.

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Well I returned to collect my tyres and fortunatly I was able to speak to the only person at the tyre place that knew what he was talking about.

He clarified a few things.

He said that he had no problems/concerns fitting the tubeless tires to my rims.

He agreed that they are designed to take a tubeless tyre but they just don't have a safety bead. He said he thought safety beads started to become more common in the late 70's.

He also said that a tube should not be fitted into a tubeless tyre as the interior of tubeless tyre is often rough and damages the tube.

He explained that one of the reasons some tyre shops have a policy of not fitting tubeless to a old non safety rims is that there is OH&S issues related to the technique of seating the tyre with a sudden high pressure burst of air or the use of a bead seater. New tyres often arrive squashed out of shape in storage and a high pressure burst is needed to seat them. Apparently the safety bead helps to hold the tyre lip in a better position prior to seating.

Apparently there have been some nasty accidents even deaths relating to fitting tyres to old, rusty or poorly made rims that predate the safety bead.

Really annoying that so many people in industries like this don't have a clue. I spoke to 6 different fitters at three different tyre shops before I found someone who actually knew what he was talking about.

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What he said about tubes rubbing inside tubeless tyres is correct.
I ran a tube inside an A008 once and in no time the diagonal rib thingys inside the tyre had worn a hole in the tube.
If you MUST use a tube, dust inside the tyre well with talcum powder when fitting.

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phillb wrote:
Really annoying that so many people in industries like this don't have a clue. I spoke to 6 different fitters at three different tyre shops before I found someone who actually knew what he was talking about.

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and guess who is going to get your return business!

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