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In VIC it is an historic archive search, not an FOI request. I gave them my engine and body numbers and they sent me a copy of the original police station registration paper with the owners name and address blacked out and an additional letter showing the 4 other number plates my car has had. It cost about $17- and I now have the original plates back on the car. That doesn't help you in NSW though.
My point earlier Steve is that on the rego papers it is recorded as a '69 Cooepr S because that is when it was registered even though by the numbers it had to be built in '68. Because there is no year on the car it is only recorded as a '69 both with vicroads and my insurance even though I know it was built in late '68. As far as they are concerned it is a '69 mini. It doesn't matter but it is interesting.

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Hi Jim

i have just tried googling "historic archive search" but came up with nothing. Do you have any more info on this, ie, how far back it goes, limitations etc. If possible I am trying to find out more information on my bike which had Vic rego up until 1953 (maybe 1963), the AOMC search told me less than I already knew.

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I have now looked on the VicRoads website and found this http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonl ... 10_WEB.pdf

Is this what you are referring to :?:

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Hi Steve, I didn't fill in any forms, I just wrote to The Manager, Archives, Vicroads Head Office, Kew. I am at work but should have a copy of the letter I sent with the address at home. A few weeks later they sent all the info back. They were very helpful, almost keen to start hunting, I guess they are the people that look after the records and were keen to actually have to find something. They also told me the plate was available and then it becomes a historic re-issue like a personalised plate that is registered to me and not the vehicle. That cost about $300- but worth it I thought. Now I don't want to take it off and put club plates on even though it would a fifth the cost for rego. When I find it I will post it here or PM. I hope I haven't taken this thread too far off track sorry. I will try and finds the links to other threads about this same subject. Cheers.

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I did an FOI request on VicRoads about 2 years ago looking for information on the Cooper S Victoria Police trialled in 1966 and the two Cooper S's they subsequently used in service. Like Flute I got back about ten pages of original and later registration papers with personal identifiers removed.

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The AOMC actually has the ownership details. They are just not allowed to give that info out. :)


Copied directly from the AOMC site

>> The companion cards which contained the owner details etc. were destroyed by VicRoads for privacy reasons. <<


Yes, that's what they tell everyone. :wink:

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Flute wrote:
In VIC it is an historic archive search, not an FOI request. I gave them my engine and body numbers and they sent me a copy of the original police station registration paper with the owners name and address blacked out and an additional letter showing the 4 other number plates my car has had. It cost about $17- and I now have the original plates back on the car. That doesn't help you in NSW though.
My point earlier Steve is that on the rego papers it is recorded as a '69 Cooepr S because that is when it was registered even though by the numbers it had to be built in '68. Because there is no year on the car it is only recorded as a '69 both with vicroads and my insurance even though I know it was built in late '68. As far as they are concerned it is a '69 mini. It doesn't matter but it is interesting.

I am presuming my car was originally from NSW but how do you tell? Might be worth asking Vic anyway to see if anything comes up?
Thanks for your input. Leigh.

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Hi Steve, I didn't fill in any forms, I just wrote to The Manager, Archives, Vicroads Head Office, Kew. I am at work but should have a copy of the letter I sent with the address at home. .


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That would be great if you could get that info for me :D :wink:
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Freedom of Information (FOI) Act
Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act


Personal licence and/or registration (motor vehicle) records

Records dealing with driver licences, other than public vehicle licences, are kept by Roads and Maritime Services (replacing Roads and Traffic Authority) and contain details such as traffic offences, class of licence, date of issue, renewal payment details and changes of address.

Registration records available relate to motor vehicles during the time they are owned by you. However, you are also allowed to verify the ownership of a vehicle if you are able to supply the name and address of the owner. The response to these enquires will be limited to a "yes" or "no" answer.

Copy of your driving record

A copy of your driving record is available from any NSW motor registry.

This provides up-to-date information including your demerit point count.

To obtain a copy of your driving record, you must:

Have Proof of Identity documents or your Driver's Licence available.


Complete a request for information form and pay a fee.


You can also check your demerit point count and apply for a copy of your driving record online at myRecords.

Licence confirmation letters

The status of your driver licence can be obtained by requesting a confirmation of licence status letter from any NSW motor registry.

This provides licence details such as your name, address, licence number, issue date, conditions, expiry date and any cancellation action.

To obtain a confirmation of licence status letter, you must:
•Have Proof of Identity documents or your Driver's Licence available.

Complete a request for information form and pay a fee.


Mailing service

Forms may be forwarded by mail to:


Roads and Maritime Services

Certificates Unit
Locked Bag 14
Grafton NSW 2460
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Payment may be made by using the credit card authority. A fax service is also available on 61 02 6640 2895 if payment is made using the credit card authority.

Solicitor's request

A fee is applicable to certified extracts.

Check with your local Motor Registry or the Contact Centre to see if the licence information or records you want are available from Roads and Maritime Services (replacing Roads and Traffic Authority).

For records relating to the authority to drive public vehicles in NSW (such as Taxi-cabs, Private Buses, Hire Cars, Wedding Cars and Funeral Cars etc), Taxi-cab locality and Driving Tests contact:

Transport for NSW,
Locked Bag 5310
Parramatta NSW 2124
Tel: 1800 049 971; (02) 9689 8888 (Toll free)

Other Roads and Maritime Services records

If any other readily available records are wanted, details of where and how to apply are listed in Roads and Maritime Services' Customer Information Directory. If you want records other than those in the Customer Information Directory, you should apply to Roads and Maritime Services.If you are refused access to the records, you can apply for their release under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act or the Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act.

Applying for records using the Freedom of Information (FOI )Act

Policy documents

Copies of policy documents are available from Regional FOI Liaison Officers by arrangement during office hours, Monday to Friday. There is a charge for some policy documents.

What to do if you think your personal records are wrong!

If you obtain records relating to your personal affairs and you believe they are incomplete, incorrect, out of date or misleading you should:
•If it relates to Roads and Maritime Services or Roads and Traffic Authority records, contact your local Roads and Maritime Services Liaison Officer or Roads and Maritime Services FOI Co-ordinator.
•If it relates to details of offences on your driving record, send a written application, setting out the details, to:

The Traffic Branch,
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Note: The NSW Police Service may not have file records of offences over three years old.

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We had s car came into work a while ago, for change of state roadworthy, a Kia Carnival If I remember right. It had complience plate dated a couple of months BEFORE build date........work that out!


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I saw a Citroen once that was built in 1990 and complianced and registered as a June 1992 car!


Another reluctant Cirtoen owner perhaps.......?


An import can be different...... Citroen Fly/Drive holidays in the 50's-70's let you buy and pay for your car in Australia at your local Citroen dealer, collect it from the factory in Paris all registered, taxed ,etc drive it around Europe, load it on a ship and bring it home. Only then was it complianced/reg'd in Australia on its arrival - sometimes 2 years after it was sent off from the factory.

As far as Aust was concerned it didnt exist until it landed in the country even though you paid australian money for it ages before. So a 69 car in the rest of the world was a 72 car when it arrived in Oz.... go figure. I know of three people having this experience in the early 70's with their DS's.

Anyway a bit of a tangent but maybe relevant:......... PSA Citroen can provide you a complete production line record of ANY Citroen made -yes from 1919 to date. You just need to give them the car ID (chassis, engine, car ID number) - and pay them! The archives will look through the production records and pull the relevant ones for that actual car; the specification, the colour and trim, the factory production-line times, any corrections, etc, etc.

The NSW Citroen Club are lucky. They scored the sales ledgers and import logs from Citroen from the early 50's to the mid 70's - including the local production of cars in Victoria in the 60's too.

There must be something similar for BMC(A) in boxes in someones garage? If not perhaps there is enough interest to try and amass centrally as much BMC(A) car prouction info as possible online via a car club library, a state library, or the like?
Maybe a project/development grant to set-up the project as a part of Aust/Syd industrial heritage might be on offer?

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I have had a bit to do with the Australian War Memorial and know a couple of the historian/researchers reasonablt well.

Today its a little bit diferent as people are conscious of history and when they find a stash of records in a box in deceased grandads garage they will make fforts to find a home for them.

However, even ten years ago, the attitude was that its all a lot of rubbish that nobody wants and when deceased estates were cleaned oit it simply went into skips and off tot he tip.

The AWM is painfully aware of this and estimate that tons of valuable artefacts, records and personal histories went down the tip route.

I suspect that the BMC records lay in a garage or shed somewhere and also took the tip route as part of a deceased estate clean up.

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A few years ago when Rover? at Moorebank was changing names or something they threw out all the records relating to minis and others someone i know tried to salvage as much of the records as possible but didn't get a lot so there is virtually nothing left.

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Mort Subite wrote:
An import can be different...... Citroen Fly/Drive holidays in the 50's-70's let you buy and pay for your car in Australia at your local Citroen dealer, collect it from the factory in Paris all registered, taxed ,etc drive it around Europe, load it on a ship and bring it home. Only then was it complianced/reg'd in Australia on its arrival - sometimes 2 years after it was sent off from the factory.


There was a Citroen in the 1977 London-Sydney that was purchased that way and the owner decided to enter the rally and drive it home to Aus rather than ship it.

Unfortunately his new car had mangled front panels and was generally rather stuffed by the time it finished the rally. :lol:

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