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Would it help to also put up the teeth count for the pinion and crown wheel? That may tell people if it is an S ratio diff.


How do I determine that?

Put a paint or chalk mark on the pinion and the crownwheel, rotate whilst counting em.
You can see the crownwheel looking down into the diff from above.

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22G232 Is the early number for cooper s MkI lay or cluster Gear It was later superseded to 22G1100

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15/64

My book says Cooper S.

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What's that prove? My S box has a 3.1 ratio (and pot joints) in place of the original 3.44 with Hardy Spicers; it only takes an hour or so.... The other one has a 3.76 with rubber unis...

Umpteen years ago one could not get a replacement S box without trading in one of the same. The valuable bit was the laygear of which there were two types; one stamped ME somethingorother (for a 4 synchro Mk II) and I've forgotten the original number on the other.

The early case was a 333 but unfortunately its still together so I can't look for a laygear label.. 22G1128 is a (maybe not exclusively) Mk II S case number.

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JC wrote:
15/64

My book says Cooper S.

Which book?
15/64 is 4.26:1 (same as a Morris 1100), it wasn't native in a Cooper S. But may have been a homologated option for competition use.

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tasti wrote:
I thought all the early mk1 s boxes had the 333 case while the very late mk1 transitional boxes were 22a therefore it should have the hardie spicers with the 22a identification.


Correct! All 22A cooper s boxes had hardy spicers and no rubber unis!


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1071 S wrote:
What's that prove?


It proves that I counted 15 teeth on the pinion and 64 on the crown wheel and my book says that's a cooper s. Which is exactly what I said, which is ALL I said. Hopefully it proves I can count, read and post my findings.

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drmini in aust wrote:
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15/64

My book says Cooper S.

Which book?
15/64 is 4.26:1 (same as a Morris 1100), it wasn't native in a Cooper S. But may have been a homologated option for competition use.


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Bottom one shown as optional

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JC wrote:
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JC wrote:
15/64

My book says Cooper S.

Which book?
15/64 is 4.26:1 (same as a Morris 1100), it wasn't native in a Cooper S. But may have been a homologated option for competition use.


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Bottom one shown as optional

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That askerisk * there applies to all those ratios below it- std on 1275S was 3.444.

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drmini in aust wrote:
That askerisk * there applies to all those ratios below it- std on 1275S was 3.444.


Can you clarify what you're saying her Doc?

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That askerisk * there applies to all those ratios below it- std on 1275S was 3.444.


Can you clarify what you're saying her Doc?


No 1275 Cooper S was sold here with anything but a 3.444.
So, IMO it's incorrect to say a 4.26 diff is an `S one'.
More so considering this book is not an official BMC publication (but it is a damn fine manual for Oz Minis).
That bottom list of ratios shown is just what was available over the counter as spare parts.
However after 40+ years, any box including yours and mine could have any diff in it.. :lol:

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drmini in aust wrote:
No 1275 Cooper S was sold here with anything but a 3.444.


Wow, that's a brave statement :wink:

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So the casing points towards it being an S box.

They Laygear points towards it being an S box.

From what I read the diff that is in it looks like an 'option' for an S box.

Is there any other way I can confirm or deny?

My intent is to ensure I am not misrepresenting this thing.

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No 1275 Cooper S was sold here with anything but a 3.444.


Wow, that's a brave statement :wink:

Alright no Oz built Production S built for the public then.
I'm aware Manton etc could get whatever they wanted... :P

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JC wrote:
So the casing points towards it being an S box.

They Laygear points towards it being an S box.

From what I read the diff that is in it looks like an 'option' for an S box.

Is there any other way I can confirm or deny?

My intent is to ensure I am not misrepresenting this thing.


I would describe this as A three speed Syncro Gearbox With Cooper S MkI gears
Except for final drive, that is not a lie and it should put and end to arguments,

a lot of Police minis ended up with non original cases because the original case may have been damaged (idler gear bearing, silent Cops Etc ) they were repaired with parts from P.A Division and new cases had no serial numbers,
I supplied good second hand cases In the early days to dealers on many ocasions because new cases were not avail at the time,

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