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Panthersteve wrote:
First of all it would have to have been a late Mini K as it has flappy door handles.

Secondly, why oh why would the police put clubby tail lights in ????

Thirdly the poverty pack clubmans (which is what these general duty cars would have been - wouldn't they?) still had a central speedo and IIRC no vinyl covered Clubman dashpad.


Yes interesting. I wonder does Watto please have a photo that is un-cropped so we can see the nose of the car more clearly. Looks to curve down to me.

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It's an early clubman 71 or 72 as it has the Leyland Australia badges behind the front wheel.
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Clubman badge on boot too!
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Looks more like a poverty pack round-nose K to me... but can`t really see too much with my old eyes :-)

a Mk1&1/2 style body want of a better description

quite a few of these cars came out of the factory out "WITH" all the "S" type boot brackets & tabs for r/h tank fitment... but no r/h tank,,, basically a Mk1&1/2 "S" body but stamped as K & solkd as poverty pack,,, wev`e had a few come through here that i was soooo keen to buy but sadly missed out,,, i`d reckon they`d be one of the rarest minis out there now days

some were then dealer fitted with the tank after delivery

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We always need to bear in mind that these details that we place so much importance on now were completely meaningless back then. A few extra clips or brackets here or there, ...so what.

It's does make for some interesting rare beasts as Miniman has pointed out.

There could be all sorts of logical explanations for these seemingly odd builds. Special requests, cancelled orders, excess pre assembled panels to be used up, shortage or excess of parts stock etc. etc.

Despite all the jokes the factory actually had a very sophisticated order and build system for the production line.

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phillb wrote:
We always need to bear in mind that these details that we place so much importance on now were completely meaningless back then. A few extra clips or brackets here or there, ...so what.

It's does make for some interesting rare beasts as Miniman has pointed out.

There could be all sorts of logical explanations for these seemingly odd builds. Special requests, cancelled orders, excess pre assembled panels to be used up, shortage or excess of parts stock etc. etc.

Despite all the jokes the factory actually had a very sophisticated order and build system for the production line.


Agreed! I think it also shows, that just because we have not seen it before, does not mean it did not happen!
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Agreed! I think it also shows, that just because we have not seen it before, does not mean it did not happen!


Agreed! But let's not fall into the trap of seeing one thing different and suddenly deciding all were like that.

The question that started this was "Did Mini K's come with twin tanks?"

Clearly this question refers to as standard from the factory, not from someones backyard, the dealer I drove past on my way to work etc etc.

Equally as clear is the answer, No.

Doesn't matter what stories are told, what pictures are shown, they did NOT come with twin tanks as standard from the factory.

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Yes. Agreed

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69k1100 wrote:
I have two and neither have them.

However, as previously stated they could (probably are) be after market.

How do you go about converting an ex-s to k? Ditch the engine and restamp the numbers?


I am Guilty of converting some ex Police CooperS cars Into a lessor powered Mini.
At that time the insurance companies charged much more to insure a Cooper S
than say a Mini K, So I removed the Cooper S engine Disc Brakes and some Times The right hand Tank I Did Not Re Stamp Any Part Of The Car
The Body Number remained the same.
At that time the RTA and the insurance companies only concern was the power to weight Ratio and if the car was stolen,
There was no need to re stamp any part of the car, and if there was I would not have
been involved with that,
I must add that everyone who purchased one of these were informed exactly what they were buying.

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John Smidt wrote:
69k1100 wrote:
I have two and neither have them.

However, as previously stated they could (probably are) be after market.

How do you go about converting an ex-s to k? Ditch the engine and restamp the numbers?


I am Guilty of converting some ex Police CooperS cars Into a lessor powered Mini.
At that time the insurance companies charged much more to insure a Cooper S
than say a Mini K, So I removed the Cooper S engine Disc Brakes and some Times The right hand Tank I Did Not Re Stamp Any Part Of The Car

Better check your Mini K's boys, you may have a Cooper S in the barn!!
The Body Number remained the same.
At that time the RTA and the insurance companies only concern was the power to weight Ratio and if the car was stolen,
There was no need to re stamp any part of the car, and if there was I would not have
been involved with that,
I must add that everyone who purchased one of these were informed exactly what they were buying.


Better check your Mini K's boys, you may have a Cooper S in the barn!! :lol:

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But what do you do when you find one do you bring it back to a "s" or leave it as a Johnnny Smitd special ??
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If the body numbers are original and correct for an S, I see no reason why it could not be legally converted back to its original splendour by refitting appropriate goodies.
If it's a Mk2 S there is no such thing as `matching numbers' (body & engine). Either it would have no compliance plate, or if it does there is no engine number on them anyway.

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There are ball park engine numbers however, I feel you can using other evidence from other known original cars to bring the engine number down to around a month of production. You won't get the real number perhaps, but you can come away with a feeling it is in the right month at least.

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If you have the owners handbook and the purchase receipt as well as the original rego papers you can have a 'matching numbers' car.
Apart from that it is all guesswork!
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Way back in the 60s and 70s, a Cooper S was just a fast Mini, not viewed by many as a collectible to retain its original motor at all costs. Repco and other places routinely did exchange engines for these and most cars when worn...
Also some motors went BANG! and got replaced by another. As well, BMC sold a lot of new 1275 & 1275S motors short or long, I bought one back in 1968.
So, the fact an engine isn't the fitted original (as long as it's an S one) shouldn't be that big a concern, the car is still a Cooper S. :wink:

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