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 Post subject: sump plug washer
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:52 pm 
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cant find one for the life of me, tried all the usual haunts, but what is the sences of opinion, brass/copper or Aluminium, may need to make my own, so whats better.

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 Post subject: Re: sump plug washer
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if you have a blow torch you can heat the old one up and let it cool in air to anneal it. If it is not too crushed, this will get you out of trouble.


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 Post subject: Re: sump plug washer
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:01 pm 
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its just gettin that "squashed look" about it so time for a replacement

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I thought they had them on the Champion bolt rack at the auto shops?

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 Post subject: Re: sump plug washer
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http://www.minis.com.au/minis/catalog/p ... cts_id=903

I must admit I have a vested interest but for $1.50ea and the price of a postage stamp you could just have the correct ones delivered to your door....

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just went and registered and ordered the washer, and nearly fell off my chair when I completed the order it stated that it was $9.50 for postage for the $1.50 washer, now I feel something drastic is wrong. any ideas. :x

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The shipping calc probably doesn't have a provision for posting via envelope. Contact them and they should be able to sort it out for you

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 Post subject: Re: sump plug washer
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The automatic postage calculator can't calculate a letter.
If you are paying by card, when it's processed as the other end, it will be manually adjusted and you will only be charged postage of a letter.
Trust me, I know :wink:

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 Post subject: sump plug washer
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mickmini wrote:
if you have a blow torch you can heat the old one up and let it cool in air to anneal it. If it is not too crushed, this will get you out of trouble.


Pretty sure you heat it to a dull red and drop it in cold water for copper anyway... Just saying :)


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 Post subject: Re: sump plug washer
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You don't need to drop it into the water. That just makes it easier to handle quicker. The grain structure is readjusted by the heating. It is not like steel which MUST be air cooled to anneal.

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Don't bloody melt it!!!! :(

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HI Mickmini
To soften the copper you have to drop it in water after you bring it to red hot. Having made a few solid copper head gaskets for grey motor holden's mg's and 68mm small bore Minis I can tell you they will not seal as they are too hard. You have to quench it in water after heating it, get a strip of copper and try it.
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HI Mickmini
To soften the copper you have to drop it in water after you bring it to red hot. Having made a few solid copper head gaskets for grey motor holden's mg's and 68mm small bore Minis I can tell you they will not seal as they are too hard. You have to quench it in water after heating it, get a strip of copper and try it.
Graham Russell


A:In annealing of copper, the heating is the important part. The rate of
cooling is immaterial.

Whether you allow it to cool naturally or drop it into water makes no
difference to the final softness.
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Traditionally, we drop it into water because that's what we were told, but
it is not necessary. It's only a matter of convenience

The copper will maintain it's soft crystal structure after annealing at any realistic cooling rate (from very slow like letting fire die down to fast like throwing it in a bucket of water). Generally, I would suggest water cooling to prevent excessive oxidation of the surface. Steel (iron + carbon) on the other hand will change it's properties dramatically upon rapid cooling . However, it is possible to cool copper fast enough to make it into a brittle material. This normally involves cooling rates of greater than 10 million degrees C per second which can only be obtained by spraying a very thin film on to a very cold surface (this equipment is very expensive).

Try it both ways and see for yourself.

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