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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:39 pm 
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Morris 1100 wrote:

Does that make sense to everyone?


Perfect.. its great to be able to ask and get some knowledgeable responses. Appreciating all the help.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:45 am 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
04 V is the body code for a K van.
04 = 4th variant.
V = Van.


A slight correction:

O4V refers to YDO4V, which is the Australian Mini Van (YDO4 being the Australian Mini Minor - wind-up windows on a Morris 850 [ADO15])

YJBAV4 refers to MkII (Mini K) Van, where:

Y - Australia
J - commercial
B - BMC (A - Austin; M - Morris)
A - 1/4 ton (B - 1/2 ton, as in Austin 1800 ute - YJBBU1)
V - van
4 - 4th series. Now, this is the interesting bit: YJBAV1 was the Aussie version of the Morris 850 van (Feb 1964, released April, to April 1965). YJBAV2 was the first wind-up window version of YDO4, still with 848cc engine (May 1965 to Feb 1969). YJBAV4 is the fourth variant, as above. The third variant was not produced - YJBAV3, which was reserved for an automatic version of YDO4V.

So, a 1969 Mini Van could be either YJBAV2 or YJBAV4. I agree that 1969 Vans should have an ID plate due to being a commercial vehicle.

See Issue 21 of The Mini Experience http://bmcexperience.com.au/issue-21/mini-van.html

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Above is a photo of a 1969 MkII Mini Van ID plate. This was on a van in Perth a few years ago. This was mounted in the usual place for sedans, on the firewall behind the master cylinders.

Now, the page Doug (BMC Pubs) has put up from the Leyland standards, are for the Clubman series - introduced in 1971 and the page is dated 1973, so there may be some variance from that on the earlier cars.

Helping to date the car in question, the wiper location is the later type, so certainly post late 1968 (what was the date again?). Do you have any of the original glass from the car? That can often be used to date the car, provided it still has its makers mark clearly on it. Also, you can date is (give or take a couple of months) from some of the other equipment, like the wiper motor.

I hope this helps,
Watto.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:20 pm 
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It helps me!

Btw, I have seen some very late YJBAV2 vans with 998 engine numbers on the ID plate.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:47 am 
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Ah yes, I forgot about those. apparently the Mini Van did get the 998 for a short period just prior to changing to the 1098, but for some reason they opted not to change the prefix, so still YJBAV2

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:37 am 
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watto wrote:
Morris 1100 wrote:
04 V is the body code for a K van.
04 = 4th variant.
V = Van.


A slight correction:

O4V refers to YDO4V, which is the Australian Mini Van (YDO4 being the Australian Mini Minor - wind-up windows on a Morris 850 [ADO15])

YJBAV4 refers to MkII (Mini K) Van, where:

Y - Australia
J - commercial
B - BMC (A - Austin; M - Morris)
A - 1/4 ton (B - 1/2 ton, as in Austin 1800 ute - YJBBU1)
V - van
4 - 4th series. Now, this is the interesting bit: YJBAV1 was the Aussie version of the Morris 850 van (Feb 1964, released April, to April 1965). YJBAV2 was the first wind-up window version of YDO4, still with 848cc engine (May 1965 to Feb 1969). YJBAV4 is the fourth variant, as above. The third variant was not produced - YJBAV3, which was reserved for an automatic version of YDO4V.

So, a 1969 Mini Van could be either YJBAV2 or YJBAV4. I agree that 1969 Vans should have an ID plate due to being a commercial vehicle.

See Issue 21 of The Mini Experience http://bmcexperience.com.au/issue-21/mini-van.html

Image

Above is a photo of a 1969 MkII Mini Van ID plate. This was on a van in Perth a few years ago. This was mounted in the usual place for sedans, on the firewall behind the master cylinders.

Now, the page Doug (BMC Pubs) has put up from the Leyland standards, are for the Clubman series - introduced in 1971 and the page is dated 1973, so there may be some variance from that on the earlier cars.

Helping to date the car in question, the wiper location is the later type, so certainly post late 1968 (what was the date again?). Do you have any of the original glass from the car? That can often be used to date the car, provided it still has its makers mark clearly on it. Also, you can date is (give or take a couple of months) from some of the other equipment, like the wiper motor.

I hope this helps,
Watto.



So how do I tell the difference between the YJBAV2 and the YJBAV4? I also note mine has no cut out in the floor to access the battery which i have seen on a few and the step up from the floor in the front to the floor in the back has a cut out or recess in it ( maybe to allow the drivers seat to go further back? ) .. if this help identify her..

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:29 am 
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watto wrote:
Now, the page Doug (BMC Pubs) has put up from the Leyland standards, are for the Clubman series - introduced in 1971 and the page is dated 1973, so there may be some variance from that on the earlier cars.

I posted that page to show the font sizes and stamping locations rather than the actual coding content. I don't have earlier versions so thought that later page was better than none.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:13 am 
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VanMorrison wrote:


So how do I tell the difference between the YJBAV2 and the YJBAV4? I also note mine has no cut out in the floor to access the battery which i have seen on a few and the step up from the floor in the front to the floor in the back has a cut out or recess in it ( maybe to allow the drivers seat to go further back? ) .. if this help identify her..


There should not be a hole cut into the upper floor to access the battery. The upper floor should continue to just behind the seats. The spare tyre goes under it behind the passenger seat. On the driver's side, there is a slight recess to access the top of the battery - and to stop it shorting on the body. There is a vertical panel behind the battery and behind that is wasted space. Many people cut a hole in that portion of the floor (such as myself) to gain access to that area for extra storage, or to move the battery back and give the driver's seat more rear movement.

The differences between the YJBAV2 and YJBAV4, are the 1098cc engine, full-synchro gearbox, plastic fan and the lap-only seatbelts being standard fitting. So, there is no way of telling from the body if yours is a YJBAV2 or YJBAV4, with one possible exception - the bonnet badge. The MkII van (YJBAV4) had the round Mini-K type Morris bonnet badge, while the earlier cars had the long metal badge. Check your bonnet to see where the holes are, as this should indicate which badge it had - assuming the bonnet is original.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:31 am 
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Hey Watto

ok, so i grabbed the bonnet and stripped some paint to see the different layers of paint, this matched the paint layers in the bonnet gutter and the radiator shroud so I'm some what confident that its the original bonnet... unless at some stage it has had a bare metal respray..

It has provisions for the wider "winged" type front badge..2 holes approx 20cm apart ( eyeballed ). Build number on shroud is 18## and Number in gutter is 13## 04V. I also checked the uprights behind the front seats and look to have provisions for upper seat belt mounts..

I've seen plenty of blank id plates for sedans, anyone know where i can get one for the van?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:16 pm 
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I would think that the car is a YJBAV2, with 998cc engine - but it is only a guestimate and should not be taken as gospel.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:11 pm 
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I think if it was a V2 with a 998 the car number would be in the 5000 range and not the 1800's.

I think it is a V4 based on the low car number plus the wiper pattern (after the middle of 68) the holes for the captive nuts for the K binnacle (after the middle of 69) and the layout of the numbers in the gutter and shroud.

But I may be wrong!


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:48 am 
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Once again, Morris 1100 has caught me sleeping. Yes, on the basis of all those points, you are probably correct. YJBAV4 is now far more likely. There were approx 5,400 of the V2 built, so the number is most likely V4, and I didn't pick up on the captive nuts for the speedo binnacle.

I will go back to sleep now.

Have a merry Christmas all ausmini people.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:06 pm 
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I think you have caught me sleeping way more times than I have caught you.

Merry Christmas Watto.


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there is hope after all this time and lots of phone calls regency last week gave me a new chassis no for my van so keep annoying them


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