Hi Guys, I've just seen a 1998 Rover Mini on Carsales in Victoria

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/deta ... 173/?Cr=10

It's on Club plates, how does this work?
I thought any vehicle elligable for Club Rego had to be 25 years old.
Would it have to be complied?

Would appreciate any help on this as I have been toying with importing one.
Cheers
Terry

definately cant be done
i think this car has been on there for over 12mths as a 1982 shell done up as a 99 style rover, you could do a rego check through vic roads as there is a pic with it in normal rego plates
obviously has just changed his ad to get a bit more interest in it

if it is a '99 car, then the owner & club it's got it's permit through have broken the law... but it's not the only one out there, there are a few with numbers cut & welded in from an Australian shell, and some where the owner has told the club a story

but maybe the new system will stop any more of them

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That vic rego plate belongs to a silver 2001 toyota!

If you import a mini built after sometime in the early 80s it will require compliance to be able to register it or put it on a permit.
Any mini built after 89 is not eligible for the CPS.
I won't say anything about the rover for sale other than I'd advise against buying it.

so if im reading right harley
pre 89 cars have to have compliance before they can get club reg
i was under the impression they didnt need compliance for club reg

It's supposed to be complied, alternately you can get a 30 day certificate from an automotive engineer (like a hardcore roadworthy), provided that is, the car meets the required ADR standards (or in the case of an imported mini - pretty much the same that would be required for compliance in the first place).
The downside of this 30 day certificate is if your CPS registration lapses, or the car is sold, another certificate must be obtained. I don't think they're cheap.

Check Vicroads document VSI33 for more information - this is the newest document to go with the recent CPS changes.

your understanding is dead wrong - a club permit has exactly the same requirements as full registration. The car must have a roadworthy certificate, and must comply with all applicable ADRs and compliancing

besides, a web forum is not the right place to get advice on this sort of stuff, no-one on here is able to give you authoritative advice

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If its such a good car (according to add) why won't they even supply roadworthy. Offer them $16500 if they put 6 myths full rego on it...... see what they say.

The old saying, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

Just read the carsales ad... It says the car is actually from 1972 but body shell was replaced by a brand new UK shell in 2005 but then it was imported here in 2007 as a personal import.

I don't know where you would stand rego wise as I know we can't legally replace the body of the car but is that null and void as it was imported after that was done? It all sounds like too much of a headache when you could buy many other great minis for $17k.

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OK, I have to weigh in here. I take a bit of exception to the implication that a Club Officer has stuffed up here. Certainly not THIS Club Officer. I'm not going to mention which Club I'm involved in, it's probably well known to a large number of Ausmini members, but this posting is from me as a private individual, not on behalf of the Club that I serve.

Yes, you would expect a RWC Inspector to pick up the anomalies with this car, but given the plate was probably issued by a Club that was doing its own inspections, it most likely wasn't even Roadworthied. It certainly didn't come past me.

Until February all Clubs associated with the CPS had the option to ask for a RWC or provide a "letter of safety" certifying the car as safe to drive on the road. Most reputable clubs, including the one with which I'm associated, insist on a RWC as this puts the responsibility of the car's compliance with all of the sundry requiremnets squarely at the door of the RWC Inspector. We have never provided a "letter of safety".

As far as the CPS Officer picking it up. Until the requirement for photographs of the car was introduced in February this year, the CPS Registrar was only able to go by the paperwork (and numbers) supplied. If the numbers were kosher, then the car was acceptable. There has never been a requirement for CPS Registrars to sight the car, particularly if a RWC is supplied as most reputable Clubs insist.

Also in February was when the requirement for VASS certification for imported cars was introduced. It was not required until then unless requested by the RWC Inspector.

Please don't assume that all those involved with putting cars on the CPS are dodgy, ignorant or corrupt. Most of the people and clubs involved labour hard to make sure that all of the requirements are met.

Unfortunately, if someone works at being dishonest, it's entirely possible that they will get away with it if the evidence supplied is acceptable.

Now that the Scheme has been tightened up, this sort of blatant abuse will hopefully be minimised, but I suspect that there will still be ratbags who strive for loopholes and spoil it for the 99% of users who abide by the rules.

One of the major reasons for changing the rules was to close down the blatant profiteering of those "Clubs" who provided a letter of safety for a sum of dollars, most times without having any knowledge of the car.

And please don't assume that "the CPS officer has no idea what they're looking at." In the Club for which I have held this role for some time this is a little bit insulting, but fortunately my shoulders are broad and my skin thick.

Cheers, Pottsy

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okey dokey i think we all have a bit more of idea of the rules now
i probably should have worded things differently, as by compliance i did mean current raws compliance, which is only available for 92 to 2000 model cars thus making anything from 68 to 92 impossible to comply.i was aware that vass certificates were needed for pre 89 cars to road register them but obviously up until feb this year you could get cars on club reg without one.(i once again assume that if ownership changes were made while on club plates up till feb this year the next owner from now on will have the headache of a vass certificate to get club reg again)
Simon i wasn't asking for advice on the forum , just wanting to find out if anybody had personal experience in the current rules on club registering a pre 89 import, as i had heard conflicting stories,ie that a rwc was all that was needed to get it on club plates(from reading harleys link to the vic roads website all a car needs is a vass and a rwc so no real biggie to do that),i still have an 87 model that Ive had for 7 years that i was thinking of getting it back on the road.
great discussion though as hopefully everybody now knows where the rules are up to in getting pre 89 cars up to club reg standards
PS back to topic on said car i would agree price is too high considering i sold a fully sorted 97 sportspac for 16k only a month ago,I'm sure the owner of this white one has probably spent double what he's selling it for but the market has pretty much said its too expensive as its been for sale for so long
cheers

sorry Josh - my post probably came across aggressively - I was in a rush to get out the door.

Basically what I was trying to say is that a car going on a club permit needs to have all of the same boxes ticked as if it was going on to full registration. If that means all the way up to RAWS compliancing, then that's what it needs

There are provisos to that, but they don't apply in this situation



You're right about this bit, same as if the car was modified and had a permit on the 'pre 2015' system (even though if it was trying to get full reg it would've needed a VASS), and the mods are beyond what's allowed in the current system, then the new owner needs to get the VASS done.

My local club (name withheld too Pottsy!) has been trying (cough) to act responsibly, but has allowed quite a few cars through that wouldn't be allowed on the current scheme. The clubs who have always required a full Vic roadworthy prior to issuing a permit are definitely the smart ones, I wanted it to be that way for my local club when the log book scheme originally came in, but they wouldn't do it.

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As the owner of a "pre 89" import on club plates I find this thread interesting.

NSW seems to have a simpler system.

You get an application form that requires details of the owner, the car, certification by the club or a certified examiner that the car is roadworthy (our club requires you to get a Pink Slip) and club certification that the vehicle is eligeable for "conditional registration" (and that the owner is a financial member of the club). You then take your form ..and money:) to the shop front and Robert's your uncle.

Conditional registration is not transferable. If you sell the car the rego lapses and the new owner is responsible for re-registration.

In the case in question, the roadworthy inspector would be responsible for certifying that the vehicle has been correctly identified and the club registrar is responsible for certifying that the car is "eligeable" under the regulations (which are spelled out on the Gov website). It would be up the the owner to convince teh club official that teh car is at least 30 years old adn sunstantially in its as manufactured from (period modifications are acceptable).

Cheers, Ian