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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:24 pm 
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From what I have read, it's up to the club how they manage this. A lot of clubs require the pink slip (e-safety check) to cover their own butts and simply use the inspection day to ensure that the owner is keeping the car within the 'spirit' of the scheme i.e period correct. You must remember that not everyone is a mechanic, and some people who think they know what 'safe' is, know nothing at all.

I know personally if I was the person responsible for the club, I would either want to be a qualified mechanic or I would require a pink slip.


I'm with the pink slip on this one. i can imagine having to deal with every clown who wanted to register a car with a sump full of leaks, or a bald set of tyres, or a stinking great engine swap on drum brakes.....something along that set of lines.

They are always the same, they would like you to look over these shortcomings because while they're not too busy to take time out of your day to inspect their car, they're too busy to make their cars roadworthy. Knock them back and you will be an arsehole, or something like that.

These days under the statute of the WH&S Act (which gazumps anything anyone cares to write in club rules) when that fellow goes on and spears into a kindergarten, it will be the Officers of the club (ie the committee members....ie YOU) who will be prosecuted for doing that guy a favour. As of 2011 a person successfully prosecuted under the Act gets a criminal conviction too....and once the criminal charge goes through the civil claims and liability will step in.... and there goes your hopes and aspirations for the future for you and your family.

The fellow with the bald tyres will walk away telling all and sundry he feels disappointed that the nasty negligent club official convinced him his car was safe. Maybe if he's cheeky he will sue you for damages as well.

For the discount they get in reg, I reckon they can go get a roadworthy. I don't know why any committee member in their right mind would take on the responsibility for other people's liabilities.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:26 pm 
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Here is what we do in the vic mini club.

http://www.mini.org.au/cps.html

Roadworthy is a one off to get started and after that it is up to the driver to drive a roadworthy car. Same as normal rego. Easy.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:01 pm 
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The VMCI philosophy (speaking as an ex-President who was around when the new vic scheme started) is that the scheme encourages people to keep classic cars on the road. The club doesn't place any restrictions on the type of car because we want to see them all survive, not just Minis. We don't put any restriction on modifications either, although the roadworthy laws certainly do, since Minis have ben heavily modified and customised since their very earliest days. A modified car was (and is) owned by somebody who was passionate about it and we should respect that. Yes, the scheme is abused by the (fictitious) East Morwell Shitbox Owners Association and the like, but that isn't our concern and VicRoads will eventually catch up with the dodgy clubs. The only thing wrong with it, as Flute mentioned, is that you can't use original or custom plates, but the red plate is a small price to pay for what is a bloody good deal in all other respects.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:35 pm 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
If I was in the MCCNSW and wanted to take a longer journey what would be the process?

Depends on the journey and what it is for. The Club Plate Registrar of MCC NSW (me) has the discretion to allow longer journeys...but if it was just to let you go for a drive down the coast for fun, then the answer would be no. However if you were running in a new engine or something legitimate it would be considered. Or better still if you have a particular scenic route in mind, put it to the club and invite others..Thenits alegitimate trip.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:43 pm 
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Laingy wrote:
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The Hitlers that run the clubs aren't going to be very happy with losing their power.
The current system allows members to take their cars on longer journeys as long as they are entered in the clubs day book. This is as well as using the car on advertised club events. There is no limit on the number of journeys. The problem is the way the individual clubs run their own rules.

This IS a very serious and LEGAL matter that appears to be treated too lightly. I'm sure these comments are well intended BUT don't underestimate the responsibilities of the clubs' registrars. If you were in this position, would you be happy for some of the less that responsible members driving all over the place and then the dreaded call asking "do you know this guy and do you condone their actions?" Let's see the fine detail first, respect the club registrars & have open communication with them first - that's how the members of my club operate.



Thank you... Someone who understands the position I am in. (I am the historic Plate Registrar for that "HITLER CLUB" of NSW.)
No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"

Some car clubs take that pretty seriously and some notable clubs couldn't give a crap.
In our club MCC NSW we try to tread a steady path down the middle and still get damned by people who want to completely disregard the restrictions, get cheap rego and do whatever they want.
And clubs that allow that will be the downfall of the entire system eventually.
Also, we allow passenger vehicles other than Minis on our scheme.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:48 pm 
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ryan wrote:
I'm not sure how or why this has turned into a MCCNSW bashing. As a non-member (ex-member) I absolutely respect the right MCCNSW have to impose what ever rules they see fit in order to uphold their commitment to RMS.

Maybe someone from MCCNSW could comment on wether or not the club will be implementing the new trial for the 2year period. Would members still be expected to attend at least 3 club events a year?


Ryan I think we will be implementing it but has to be discussed at Committee first. This only came to light last Friday so will need to be voted on. We would be crazy not to embrace it I reckon.
As far as the 3 events a year rule, I think that should stay. The idea was that the requirement to attend 3 Mini Car Club events was so that the person getting the benefit of a $50.00 rego would at least support a few club events.
Not a particularly onerous task I wouldn't think.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:54 pm 
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PDJ wrote:
The 60 days is in addition the the existing rules. It means you don't have to wait for confirmation on a day book entry before you go out.


Wrong... It's either...or.
You either have the existing system or use the trial logbook system.
You can't pick the best bits of either system...


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:01 pm 
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ryan wrote:
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Tim I wrote:
Also what's the point of going to a club car inspection day when you still have to go and get a pink slip


From what I have read, it's up to the club how they manage this. A lot of clubs require the pink slip (e-safety check) to cover their own butts and simply use the inspection day to ensure that the owner is keeping the car within the 'spirit' of the scheme i.e period correct. You must remember that not everyone is a mechanic, and some people who think they know what 'safe' is, know nothing at all.

I know personally if I was the person responsible for the club, I would either want to be a qualified mechanic or I would require a pink slip.


Agreed. I am our Club Plate Registrar and I am no mechanic. We choose to make an owner get a pink slip to cover mine and the clubs arse just in case.
Bloody hell, some people want everything for nothing. Doesnt anyone care if their car is safe or not?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:03 pm 
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Mick wrote:
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I know personally if I was the person responsible for the club, I would either want to be a qualified mechanic or I would require a pink slip.


I'm with the pink slip on this one. i can imagine having to deal with every clown who wanted to register a car with a sump full of leaks, or a bald set of tyres, or a stinking great engine swap on drum brakes.....something along that set of lines.

They are always the same, they would like you to look over these shortcomings because while they're not too busy to take time out of your day to inspect their car, they're too busy to make their cars roadworthy. Knock them back and you will be an arsehole, or something like that.

These days under the statute of the WH&S Act (which gazumps anything anyone cares to write in club rules) when that fellow goes on and spears into a kindergarten, it will be the Officers of the club (ie the committee members....ie YOU) who will be prosecuted for doing that guy a favour. As of 2011 a person successfully prosecuted under the Act gets a criminal conviction too....and once the criminal charge goes through the civil claims and liability will step in.... and there goes your hopes and aspirations for the future for you and your family.

The fellow with the bald tyres will walk away telling all and sundry he feels disappointed that the nasty negligent club official convinced him his car was safe. Maybe if he's cheeky he will sue you for damages as well.

For the discount they get in reg, I reckon they can go get a roadworthy. I don't know why any committee member in their right mind would take on the responsibility for other people's liabilities.


Thank God, a reasonable person :)


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Sorry about all the posts at the end....I'm not on here very often.
But if someone has a legitimate question (and not just Mini Car Club bashing) feel free to ask me.
I am our Historic Plate Registrar and oversee cars that go on plates in our club.
Have read all of the above comments, both informed ones, reasonable ones and downright ignorant ones.
At the end of the day we are required by law to administer the RMS rules (which appear basic but are very restrictive) and with consultation with the CMC try do administer something legal enough to cover both mine and the clubs behind.
I have been doing the job for nearly 14 years now and I think it seems to work ok without being too restrictive.
The new logbook system will certainly suit some people more than others and we should embrace it.
There are noises that modified cars may be included but there is nothing in writing yet........only the same old RMS spiel that the car is to be 30 years old with no modifications.
Time will reveal all I guess.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:18 pm 
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mcbuggsy wrote:
thank you... Someone who understands the position I am in. (I am the historic Plate Registrar for that "HITLER CLUB" of NSW.)
No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"


I guess greyness creeps into the rules with the statement "except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options, if desired."

Period accessories is a very broad category.

I believe my fake cooper s is done in period style but with some modern touches such as metalic paint, cobra classic seats, and modest CD player. It also has period correct accessories such as widened chromed wheels, smiths taco. Is it eligible?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:32 pm 
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It's a shame street rod plates are for cars build before 1949 they could be used on the after 49 built modified cars cause there would be nothing on a street rod before 1949 that would be factory original any way


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:35 pm 
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Yours would pass no worries Ryan for historic plates


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:24 am 
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drjbeam wrote:
Yours would pass no worries Ryan for historic plates

No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"
Technically it shouldn't pass as it has everything on it to make it look like a cooper S it's no longer how the car came out the factory


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:41 am 
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Goldbrocade_62 wrote:
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Yours would pass no worries Ryan for historic plates

No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"
Technically it shouldn't pass as it has everything on it to make it look like a cooper S it's no longer how the car came out the factory


But aren't they all period accessories. And the rules state that period accessories are allowed if desired.

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