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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:11 am 
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Maybe someone from MCCNSW could comment on wether or not the club will be implementing the new trial for the 2year period. Would members still be expected to attend at least 3 club events a year?


Ryan I think we will be implementing it but has to be discussed at Committee first. This only came to light last Friday so will need to be voted on. We would be crazy not to embrace it I reckon.


You can vote for it or against it at your committee but it's out of your hands. Good that you'll embrace it anyway.

For those that are interested, this is the advice from RMS on how to get your 60 day log book (requires no intervention from club bureaucrats whatsoever):

RMS EMAIL wrote:
Thank you for your interest in the Log Book trial announced by the Minister for Roads, Maritime and Freight which will commence on 1 October 2015.

The trial will allow all operators of existing vehicles within the Historic Vehicle Scheme to opt-in. These vehicles may then be used for 60 days of general use (i.e. club events, maintenance and personal use) each year. Each day’s use must be recorded in the Log Book.

Existing operators

To opt in, the registered operator or their representative must attend a registry or service centre with:

- proof of identity such as a NSW driver licence,

- the current Certificate of Conditional Registration (if available),

- the current Certificate of Approved Operations (if available)

- a completed Adjustment of records to have the vehicle’s conditions updated

(http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/abo ... ecords.pdf).

New operators

New entrants to the Historic Vehicle Scheme after the trial commences may apply for inclusion in the Log Book Trial, subject to the existing historic vehicle and registered operator eligibility criteria.

Existing and new operators will be issued:

- Certificate of Conditional Registration

- Certificate of Approved Operations, with the updated conditions

- Historic Vehicle Log Book Trial form

Historic vehicles (including trailers) must be 30 years of age or older as from the year of manufacture.

Historic vehicles must be as close to original condition as possible, with no alterations except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options, if desired.

The registered operator must be a member of a Roads and Maritime recognised historic vehicle club.

If you have further questions, please contact Roads and Maritime Services on 13 22 13.
Yours sincerely
Roads and Maritime Services


So yeah, historic registered vehicle owners may opt in as they please at any Motor Registry.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:23 am 
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Goldbrocade_62 wrote:
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Yours would pass no worries Ryan for historic plates

No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"
Technically it shouldn't pass as it has everything on it to make it look like a cooper S it's no longer how the car came out the factory


You've reinterpreted the rules to suit your own views, there.

The actual wording is:

RMS Website wrote:
Historic vehicles must be as close to original condition as possible, with no alterations except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options, if desired.


There is no requirement that it be as it left the factory. Period accessories and options cover Ryan's car since all of his accessories and options were all available at the time of manufacture and were commonplace on cars of that type.

If it had a fibreglass air-dam, a big spoiler and a turbo then no, it would not be suitable for historic registration.

Under your reading of the rules, a poverty-pack 850 with Minilite wheels would be thrown out. Sheesh!

Remember fellas, the historic vehicle scheme exists to promote and protect the cars, not the rivet counters.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:02 am 
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What person at the RMS or inspection station would know what a mini came out with from the factory

The bloke I take mine to for a pink slip was born in 1981 3 years after the mini was finished in aus and the other bloke I know only deals in Mercedes Benz and is around my age which is 40


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:24 am 
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drjbeam wrote:
What person at the RMS or inspection station would know what a mini came out with from the factory

The bloke I take mine to for a pink slip was born in 1981 3 years after the mini was finished in aus and the other bloke I know only deals in Mercedes Benz and is around my age which is 40

RMS issue a pink slip for safety (or some clubs do this themselves)

Car club then approves the suitability of it for club rego

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:31 am 
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You can vote for it or against it at your committee but it's out of your hands. Good that you'll embrace it anyway.

For those that are interested, this is the advice from RMS on how to get your 60 day log book (requires no intervention from club bureaucrats whatsoever):

Looks as if to go on the new log book scheme the clubs have no say


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:08 am 
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thomas_hb wrote:
Goldbrocade_62 wrote:
drjbeam wrote:
Yours would pass no worries Ryan for historic plates

No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"
Technically it shouldn't pass as it has everything on it to make it look like a cooper S it's no longer how the car came out the factory


You've reinterpreted the rules to suit your own views, there.

The actual wording is:

RMS Website wrote:
Historic vehicles must be as close to original condition as possible, with no alterations except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options, if desired.


There is no requirement that it be as it left the factory. Period accessories and options cover Ryan's car since all of his accessories and options were all available at the time of manufacture and were commonplace on cars of that type.

If it had a fibreglass air-dam, a big spoiler and a turbo then no, it would not be suitable for historic registration.

Under your reading of the rules, a poverty-pack 850 with Minilite wheels would be thrown out. Sheesh!

Remember fellas, the historic vehicle scheme exists to promote and protect the cars, not the rivet counters.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:15 am 
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drjbeam wrote:
What person at the RMS or inspection station would know what a mini came out with from the factory

The bloke I take mine to for a pink slip was born in 1981 3 years after the mini was finished in aus and the other bloke I know only deals in Mercedes Benz and is around my age which is 40


They have a "bible" and just like the real bibles, any mistakes, errors or fantasy's are taken as gospel! :roll:

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They have a "bible" and just like the real bibles, any mistakes, errors or fantasy's are taken as gospel! :roll:

I've seen their so-called `bible' years ago when I put an S motor in my Matic. Apart from a list of engine and body numbers, the most notable thing was a typo that said a Cooper S was 1273cc. :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:34 am 
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drmini in aust wrote:
9YaTaH wrote:

They have a "bible" and just like the real bibles, any mistakes, errors or fantasy's are taken as gospel! :roll:

I've seen their so-called `bible' years ago when I put an S motor in my Matic. Apart from a list of engine and body numbers, the most notable thing was a typo that said a Cooper S was 1273cc. :lol:
And the poor buggers that had to get new chassis numbers because they mistook a Mk1 S for a Mk2 S.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:54 pm 
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Which goes to my original question... has anyone asked ..or ever been given any advice on the "official" definition of "period accessories or options.."

"......If it had a fibreglass air-dam, a big spoiler and a turbo then no, it would not be suitable for historic registration...."

I don't see why not.... maybe you would need to fit these mods to a Clubbie if the definition only allows mods to would have been available when the modified vehicle in question actually went down the production line....

Don't forget .. in period (the 60s) Minis ran with superchargers, stupidly wide wheels even modified Jag engines or Buick V8s. Short of a CD player or a computer it would be pretty hard to come up with a mod that someone didn't fit to a Mini in the 60s :)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:01 pm 
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9YaTaH wrote:
drjbeam wrote:
What person at the RMS or inspection station would know what a mini came out with from the factory

The bloke I take mine to for a pink slip was born in 1981 3 years after the mini was finished in aus and the other bloke I know only deals in Mercedes Benz and is around my age which is 40


They have a "bible" and just like the real bibles, any mistakes, errors or fantasy's are taken as gospel! :roll:

The pink slip inspection is only for roadworthyness and has nothing to do with eligibility of a car for club rego. They don't have to know what the car was built with. They only have to know if it is safe.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:04 pm 
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mcbuggsy wrote:
Morris 1100 wrote:
If I was in the MCCNSW and wanted to take a longer journey what would be the process?

Depends on the journey and what it is for. The Club Plate Registrar of MCC NSW (me) has the discretion to allow longer journeys...

Hang on, how do you get that discretion? Your role is supposedly to help your members use their classic cars in line with the RMS rules. The RMS rules allow longer journeys as long as they are entered in the club's day book.
The rules say nothing about playing 20 questions with the plate registrar before being told "No".


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:12 pm 
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mcbuggsy wrote:
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Morris 1100 wrote:
The Hitlers that run the clubs aren't going to be very happy with losing their power.
The current system allows members to take their cars on longer journeys as long as they are entered in the clubs day book. This is as well as using the car on advertised club events. There is no limit on the number of journeys. The problem is the way the individual clubs run their own rules.

This IS a very serious and LEGAL matter that appears to be treated too lightly. I'm sure these comments are well intended BUT don't underestimate the responsibilities of the clubs' registrars. If you were in this position, would you be happy for some of the less that responsible members driving all over the place and then the dreaded call asking "do you know this guy and do you condone their actions?" Let's see the fine detail first, respect the club registrars & have open communication with them first - that's how the members of my club operate.



Thank you... Someone who understands the position I am in. (I am the historic Plate Registrar for that "HITLER CLUB" of NSW.)
No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"

Some car clubs take that pretty seriously and some notable clubs couldn't give a crap.
In our club MCC NSW we try to tread a steady path down the middle and still get damned by people who want to completely disregard the restrictions, get cheap rego and do whatever they want.
And clubs that allow that will be the downfall of the entire system eventually.
Also, we allow passenger vehicles other than Minis on our scheme.

The scheme is supposed to keep classic cars on the road not in sheds.
The claims about the "downfall of the entire system" is exactly true. That is what Duncan Gay is doing. He is removing your power over the club members that prevent them from using their cars.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:07 pm 
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thomas_hb and Morris 1100, out of interest are both of you members of a club the uses the conditional rego scheme? Do you guys have cars registered on the scheme?

The reason I ask is because of my involvement in Minis In The Gong and I am trying to gauge the feasibility of MITG becoming part of the Scheme.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:13 pm 
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Some clubs even what to be notified on a maintenance run which I believe is over powering rubbish


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